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[ashersky]

Vote: ashersky for always saying to do things different than the established norm.

What established norm?  And what sort of reasoning is that?

We've had two games.  Not exactly enough to establish anything.

[sudgy]

Vote: ashersky for always saying to do things different than the established norm.

What established norm?  And what sort of reasoning is that?

We've had two games.  Not exactly enough to establish anything.

Outside of mafia established norms.

[ashersky]

Vote: ashersky for always saying to do things different than the established norm.

What established norm?  And what sort of reasoning is that?

We've had two games.  Not exactly enough to establish anything.

Outside of mafia established norms.

What are those?  I have no idea what you are talking about.

[sudgy]

Vote: ashersky for always saying to do things different than the established norm.

What established norm?  And what sort of reasoning is that?

We've had two games.  Not exactly enough to establish anything.

Outside of mafia established norms.

What are those?  I have no idea what you are talking about.

The main thing is the vig on N1.

[Twistedarcher]

Vote: ashersky for always saying to do things different than the established norm.

You realize that this doesn't speak at all to Ash's alignment?

Vote: Sudgy

[sudgy]

Vote: ashersky for always saying to do things different than the established norm.

You realize that this doesn't speak at all to Ash's alignment?

Vote: Sudgy

Vote: Twistedarcher

[yuma]

Vote: ashersky for always saying to do things different than the established norm.

You realize that this doesn't speak at all to Ash's alignment?

Vote: Sudgy

combine that with this:

If you're an infinite-shot vig, then you shouldn't listen to Galz and Robz, and you should actually go ahead and shoot in order to improve town's winchance.  Galz and Robz will say you shouldn't shoot because you're likely to hit town, and they don't like that, because they really want to have one more lynch rather than your 2 shots.

Vigs, ignore this. Do not shoot. In this same setup, vigs have greatly damaged town. And in many other setups. No shooting please. Thanks.

Vote: theorel

Vote: theorel

I think I will vote sudgy as well. When I first saw him following Robz on this it raised a flag, but not enough for me to vote. Now I think there is enough.

PPE and combined with:

Vote: ashersky for always saying to do things different than the established norm.

You realize that this doesn't speak at all to Ash's alignment?

Vote: Sudgy

Vote: Twistedarcher

I feel even better....

[yuma]

should be a vote: sudgy in there.

[sudgy]

should be a vote: sudgy in there.

Vote: yuma

[Twistedarcher]

What the heck are you doing, Sudgy?

[mail-mi]

What the heck are you doing, Sudgy?

If I were to guess, OMGUSRVS.

[Twistedarcher]

*grumbles* I hate when I can't tell RVS apart from regular votes.

[yuma]

*grumbles* I hate when I can't tell RVS apart from regular votes.

I do think it is weird he moved from what appeared to be a non-RVS vote on ash, to RVS votes on me and you... (assuming these later two were actually RVS)

[yuma]

*grumbles* I hate when I can't tell RVS apart from regular votes.

I do think it is weird he moved from what appeared to be a non-RVS vote on ash, to RVS votes on me and you... (assuming these later two were actually RVS)

and by weird I should clarify that I mean slightly to moderately scummy.

[nkirbit]

*grumbles* I hate when I can't tell RVS apart from regular votes.

I do think it is weird he moved from what appeared to be a non-RVS vote on ash, to RVS votes on me and you... (assuming these later two were actually RVS)

and by weird I should clarify that I mean slightly to moderately scummy.

I do agree it's weird, but why do you think that it's scummy?  What incentives does scum have to act this way?

It reads pretty alignment-neutral to me.

[nkirbit]

Unvote, btw.

[nkirbit]

The one thing that gives me pause about Ash's claim is that it's 100% a safe fake-claim coming from a 2 man Goon/Godfather team.  If that team exists, there are at least 5 T's, leaving at most two PRs for town.  One of those PRs is Galzria, so if Ash were a Goon or a Godfather on a two-man, I think it's a very, very strong claim for him to make.

That being said, the simpler option is that Ash is actually just a 1-shot doctor.

[yuma]

*grumbles* I hate when I can't tell RVS apart from regular votes.

I do think it is weird he moved from what appeared to be a non-RVS vote on ash, to RVS votes on me and you... (assuming these later two were actually RVS)

and by weird I should clarify that I mean slightly to moderately scummy.

I do agree it's weird, but why do you think that it's scummy?  What incentives does scum have to act this way?

It reads pretty alignment-neutral to me.

I think that if he is scum he isn't trying to act this way, not all together.... but rather as scum potentially trying to do too many things. maybe trying to simultaneously play the rvs game to blend in early but at the same time placing what look to be serious votes and backing them up when called out... after that reverting back to rvs when he realizes his "serious" reason isn't very good...

and keep in mind it isn't just rvs, it is also omgus (which to me looks like forced rvs, rvs should come naturally. his votes look like he thought "shoot, i need to get back to rvs... i made this too serious too soon, omgusrvs!!!"

[ashersky]

*grumbles* I hate when I can't tell RVS apart from regular votes.

I do think it is weird he moved from what appeared to be a non-RVS vote on ash, to RVS votes on me and you... (assuming these later two were actually RVS)

and by weird I should clarify that I mean slightly to moderately scummy.

I do agree it's weird, but why do you think that it's scummy?  What incentives does scum have to act this way?

It reads pretty alignment-neutral to me.

I think that if he is scum he isn't trying to act this way, not all together.... but rather as scum potentially trying to do too many things. maybe trying to simultaneously play the rvs game to blend in early but at the same time placing what look to be serious votes and backing them up when called out... after that reverting back to rvs when he realizes his "serious" reason isn't very good...

and keep in mind it isn't just rvs, it is also omgus (which to me looks like forced rvs, rvs should come naturally. his votes look like he thought "shoot, i need to get back to rvs... i made this too serious too soon, omgusrvs!!!"

Or, to put it simpler: sudgy is trying to pull an ashersky, but it's so out of character for him that it isn't going to work.

vote: sudgy

[sudgy]

My ash vote was still RVS, I was just trying to make it look like it wasn't to get reactions.  That's how ash always plays.  And I was trying to get RVS going because we were kind of done talking theory and nothing else was going on.

[nkirbit]

My ash vote was still RVS, I was just trying to make it look like it wasn't to get reactions.  That's how ash always plays.  And I was trying to get RVS going because we were kind of done talking theory and nothing else was going on.

Were you votes on TA and Yuma RVS?  To get reactions going?

[sudgy]

My ash vote was still RVS, I was just trying to make it look like it wasn't to get reactions.  That's how ash always plays.  And I was trying to get RVS going because we were kind of done talking theory and nothing else was going on.

Were you votes on TA and Yuma RVS?  To get reactions going?

How dare you suggest that?  Vote: nkirbit

[Eevee]

Nothing else was going on, huh? There was a wagon forming on TA!! Why would you want to revert us back to rvs when ash, yuma and TA had just gotten the game going?

Voting someone for not following the norms also annoys me greatly, even if it's my frustration leaking through, I'm going to vote: sudgy.

That you realized you got caught of scummy behavior and tried to make it all a joke to escape the suspicion is also a believable scum narrative for me.

[XerxesPraelor]

I think Sudgy's innocent because he was pointing out correct flaws in Ash's analysis, so who should I vote for?

I would vote for Ashersky, but in case he's good, it would be too great of a loss because of all the talking and reasoning he's doing. I guess I'll vote for someone on his side who doesn't talk much, then.
Vote: Twistedarcher

[Eevee]

I think Sudgy's innocent because he was pointing out correct flaws in Ash's analysis, so who should I vote for?

I would vote for Ashersky, but in case he's good, it would be too great of a loss because of all the talking and reasoning he's doing. I guess I'll vote for someone on his side who doesn't talk much, then.
Vote: Twistedarcher

What were the correct flaws sudgy was pointing out in ash's analysis, and why did pointing them out make you think he is innocent?

Why do you think Ash and TA are "on the same side" (what do you mean by that?). As far as I can see, ashersky made a point of voting TA a couple of times, lumping them together seems weird to me.

And finally, TA doesn't talk much? He has 21 posts to your 6, as far as I can see only ashersky has posted more than he has.