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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2013, 01:42:31 pm »

everyone read the second post of the thread, its is very important.

Pm's have been sent, waiting on confirmation. If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask.

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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2013, 11:39:06 am »

Welcome all!

It is time to begin deciding which of you will continue on to fight at the Battle of Hulao Gate. This battle must be done quickly and correctly so first we must weed out the spies.

It looks like its going to be difficult to figure things out so I have appointed one of the best generals in all the land to help lead the discussion

Allow me to introduce Commander Yuan Shao, also known as Galzria, the Innocent Child, listen wisely to his advice.

Also I want a decision made by October 19, at 8:00 pm(10 day deadlines will continue)
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2013, 11:43:31 am »

Vote Count 1.0:

Not Voting (13): Eevee, Robz888, Ashersky, Voltaire, Yuma, TwistedArcher, Theorel, Sudgy, Mail-mi, Chairs, Nkirbit, Xerses, Galzria

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on October, 19 at 8:00 p.m. Forum time.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #78 on: October 09, 2013, 11:44:20 am »

What's up with us getting really lucky ICs recently?

And, to keep up the tradition from MXXIV, Vote: Galzria.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #79 on: October 09, 2013, 11:46:53 am »

Ha, great!

So, I'm alive in three games right now. I generally prioritize games that have been going for longer, so you can expect my activity to be a bit lower until either game goes to night (which shouldn't take long).
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #80 on: October 09, 2013, 11:49:57 am »

Deadline can be changed/extended if brought to my attention reasonably soon via pm that I chose a dumb time*

*sorry new mod
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #81 on: October 09, 2013, 11:57:21 am »

Deadline can be changed/extended if brought to my attention reasonably soon via pm that I chose a dumb time*

*sorry new mod


My advice, choose a time that works for you, not us.
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   Quote from: sudgy on June 31, 2011, 11:47:46 pm

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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2013, 12:32:26 pm »

Oh hey, this opened! I thought I had notifications on, I didn't.

C9++ can have ICs? I need to go read that again!

Also a reminder that flavor claims are illegal here!!! Please don't derp them!
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2013, 12:38:32 pm »

This is going to be the first game in which I actually like the flavor. I love DYnasty Warriors, yeah!

Yuan Shao, my liege, you must lead us to victory!
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2013, 12:46:26 pm »

This is going to be the first game in which I actually like the flavor. I love DYnasty Warriors, yeah!

Yuan Shao, my liege, you must lead us to victory!

And the first game you like the flavor, you can't claim it!

So, obviously, because of that, Vote: Robz888.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #85 on: October 09, 2013, 12:50:06 pm »

Happy to be in a game, vote: Yuma?
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #86 on: October 09, 2013, 01:01:15 pm »

So, I'm in 2 games at once.  I don't usually let that happen, what am I doing?

Okay, overlap between games: Voltaire, Eevee, ashersky, chairs.  Those are the ones I'll have to keep straight.

And, I think we've pretty well covered any C9++ theory.  Good straight-forward set-up.  I like it.

So, we should skip RVS and go straight to RVS: vote: Robz.  He likes playing scum, and his brother is moderating...we can all tell where that's going.

(to clarify that's a reference to Buffy mafia, where Robz claimed there was a "Robz Voting Stage".  I'm not sure that's still a thing...but it should be.  Robz is always a good target for votes.)

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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #87 on: October 09, 2013, 01:02:57 pm »

Voltgloss: Fate's a bitch.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #88 on: October 09, 2013, 01:04:29 pm »

This is going to be the first game in which I actually like the flavor. I love DYnasty Warriors, yeah!

Yuan Shao, my liege, you must lead us to victory!

Seriously? 30+ games into regular Mafia, and however many more RMM/BM/Whatever, and this is the FIRST game that you're really interested in flavor? Yikes.
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #89 on: October 09, 2013, 04:19:25 pm »

Masons should claim immediately.  Could know lots of rolls here with IC in the mix.

And, I think we've pretty well covered any C9++ theory.  Good straight-forward set-up.  I like it.

If by "pretty well covered" you mean terribly and not at all.  This is exactly the type of misdirection I would use as scum in this setup.  I've modded it twice.  Both times town won handily with great scum hunting, especially from newbie ICs.  They did not figure out the setup via theory, as theo would have you think.

vote: theorel. Not RVS.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #90 on: October 09, 2013, 04:36:47 pm »

Ash, I believe you've only witnessed the theory discussions about this setup posted as a mod but never actually played in a C9++ game. What do you think of this setup? What kind of mistakes have we made analyzing it earlier?
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #91 on: October 09, 2013, 04:38:54 pm »

Nooooooooooooo! Not the ash I agree with! *drowns in a sea of wine*

vote: Xerses because I always vote the person I haven't played with before.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #92 on: October 09, 2013, 04:59:21 pm »

Hey. Agree that I would like to hear Ash's thoughts on C9++, and the discussion may be beneficial for those of us who have never played it, but ultimately it's usually not solvable until much later, so we shouldn't beat it o death currently.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #93 on: October 09, 2013, 05:07:29 pm »

Ash, I believe you've only witnessed the theory discussions about this setup posted as a mod but never actually played in a C9++ game. What do you think of this setup? What kind of mistakes have we made analyzing it earlier?

I'm glad you asked.

Hey. Agree that I would like to hear Ash's thoughts on C9++, and the discussion may be beneficial for those of us who have never played it, but ultimately it's usually not solvable until much later, so we shouldn't beat it o death currently.

Incorrect, scum #2.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #94 on: October 09, 2013, 05:14:32 pm »

Here's what I found to be the biggest "failing" of town in these games.  (I mean, they won, so they didn't really "fail.")

Town PRs did NOT take into account how much extra information that actually gave them.

So, do that.

Remember, the set-up isn't broken because of the provision for scum to have a Roleblocker, Godfather, or Both.  SK could also choose Godfather.

By knowing PRs, we know if they have these roles or not, though, and we can plan for them.

For instance, SCUM HAVE A ROLEBLOCKER IN THIS GAME.  I know this for a fact, 100%.  So does at least one other member of the town.  That's the sort of thing that town didn't do early in the other games -- point things like this out.

Also fact:  There is a 2/5 chance there is an SK in the game.
Another fact:  There is a 3/5 chance there is a Godfather in the game.

If there are masons, there is 100% chance of a godfather and 1/3 chance of SK.  But I need mason claims to prove that.

See?  Way more to this than "we don't have to talk about it Theorel" says or "don't beat it to death TA" thinks.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #95 on: October 09, 2013, 05:50:21 pm »

Where are you getting 2/5 and 3/5 from, ash?  I haven't done theater, and I probably won't, but don't think those are correct numbers.
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« Reply #96 on: October 09, 2013, 05:54:06 pm »

ash, I don't see how you can know that scum has a roleblocker without claiming you're a mason. Having an IC means either M or MMM but that's all we know. Some of us will know more, but those would only be those of us with PRs. If it's MMM at most it can be TTTT which does mean scum has to have a roleblocker. Are you claiming you're a mason?

I think your point was to make someone point this out, which means you're fishing. For what, I do not know. What that means for your alignment, well, I don't know.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #97 on: October 09, 2013, 06:06:05 pm »

ash, I don't see how you can know that scum has a roleblocker without claiming you're a mason. Having an IC means either M or MMM but that's all we know. Some of us will know more, but those would only be those of us with PRs. If it's MMM at most it can be TTTT which does mean scum has to have a roleblocker. Are you claiming you're a mason?

I think your point was to make someone point this out, which means you're fishing. For what, I do not know. What that means for your alignment, well, I don't know.

Does no one read what I write?

There are 7 letters.  At most, there are at most 4 Ts in this game.  Let me break the math down for you all:

TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

5/5 chances of a Roleblocker.  5/5 = 100%.
2/5 chances of a Serial Killer.  That's because there are 5 possible scum setups, and 2 of them list Serial Killer.  Where there are 2 of something in 5 total, that's 2/5.
3/5 chances of a Godfather.  Again, 5 possible setups, 3 list Godfather.

If Masons are in the game, we have, at most, 2 Ts.

TT = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
0 Ts = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather

So 1/3 SK and 100% for both RB and GF.




That is how simple math works.
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #98 on: October 09, 2013, 06:08:04 pm »

Does no one read what I write?

There are 7 letters.  At most, there are at most 4 Ts in this game.  Let me break the math down for you all:

Ash, no need to get snippy. The bold is where I don't follow you. How do you know there are at most 4 Ts? Why can't there be 6 Ts, an M, and that's it (for example)?
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Re: Mafia XXXII: Dynasty Warriors Mafia
« Reply #99 on: October 09, 2013, 06:10:07 pm »

Vote Count 1.1:

Robz888 (2): Sudgy, Theorel
Yuma (1): mail-mi
Theorel (1): Ashersky
XerxesPraelor (1): Voltaire
 
Not Voting (8): Eevee, Robz888, Yuma, TwistedArcher, Chairs, Nkirbit, Xerses, Galzria

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on October, 19 at 8:00 p.m. Forum time.

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