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Strategy Videos for every card?
« on: September 08, 2013, 11:53:56 am »
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I was trying to figure out how to view the contents of the Black Market deck on Goko today (click the "all cards" button above the Trash pile and scroll over), and I thought it might be a cool idea to make a series of videos - one for each Dominion card, as a sort of tutorial on use and strategy for each of these cards, specifically for play on Goko.  Along with general strategy, it would include things like how exactly to use the interfaces that pop up for each card.  Would anyone actually watch these videos?  Would anyone like to help me make them?
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2013, 12:08:42 pm »
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Ooh, sounds pretty interesting. I might I'll certainly be up for helping, although I'm hardly an expert. I was considering doing Dominion videos for beginners.

Edit: I would definitely say we should do base before anything else, and actually, I'm very willing to take part. I guess we don't need to go into too much detail anyway, so an intermediate like me should be fine.
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 04:57:52 pm »
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It would probably go expansion by expansion, starting with the simplest, best or most iconic cards, and moving along.  So for Base, probably start with Smithy, Market, Chapel, Militia, and wending our way to Adventurer.

For each video, I would provide some pre-scripted narration, over a screencap video of me showing its basic mechanics against a bot.  What I would need from other players is footage of the card in action, being used effectively.  Going over the strategies listed in its corresponding article, if there is one.  I would probably also narrate over this footage.  AdamH recommends this sortware, though I have yet to try it myself:

http://camstudio.org/
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 05:11:49 pm »
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Along with general strategy, it would include things like how exactly to use the interfaces that pop up for each card.

Videos entitled "How to use Hamlet on Goko" and "How to not discard your good cards with Cartographer" would be much appreciated!
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 05:15:24 pm »
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What I would need from other players is footage of the card in action, being used effectively.

I guess we'll never have a Scout video, then.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 05:40:36 pm »
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What I would need from other players is footage of the card in action, being used effectively.
I guess we'll never have a Scout video, then.
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2013, 07:12:26 pm »
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"How to use the Smithy:"
"Play the Smithy."
"And that's how you use the Smithy."

(For further information, please consult eHow.com.)
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2013, 07:56:42 pm »
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"How to use the Smithy:"
"Play the Smithy."
"And that's how you use the Smithy."

(For further information, please consult eHow.com.)

I never said the videos have to be of considerable length.
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2013, 08:37:05 pm »
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If you wanted to, Smithy could be a lesson on how to use terminal draw.  On later terminal draw cards, you could say, "This is like Smithy with these differences..."
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2013, 12:38:45 am »
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Terminal Draw. The Video. The Game.
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2013, 04:56:00 am »
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 08:04:06 am »
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So, Smithy first?  Go forth, Dominionators, and take footage of you playing with Smithy in optimal situations!

I think after that:
Market
Village
Chapel
Militia
Cellar
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 09:33:03 am »
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If you want free screencap software for Windows, CamStudio is probably best. It's not perfect but it will do what you need it to do.

I'd be willing to help, but I really should update my own Dominion video tutorial series, because it still uses iso. I also finally feel like I'm good enough to talk about the next thing I wanted to talk about in a tutorial without getting it totally wrong. I really should be doing that. Must. Find. Motivation. Hmh.

Well, that makes me think about this stuff though. If it were me making these videos, I'd be asking myself "what's the point?" What is the viewer going to take away from these videos? In one of my tutorial videos I mention that it's a good idea to read the card text and every card and understand why you would want that card in your deck. How does that card help you (and also how can it be misused)?

When I answer those questions in my mind, I categorize the cards in certain ways: Trasher, Attack, Gainer, Plus Buy, Draw, Village, Worthless. Then there are subcategories, like for Attacks you have Junkers, Discard attacks, Top-deck attacks, trashing attacks, etc. For Worthless you just have Scout :P .

The way I think about Dominion (which may be different than the way you all do) is a "top-down" approach. When I'm looking at a board I categorize every card like this and it gives me an idea of the landscape of the game. That's where stuff like this would fit into my mental model of the game.

It makes me think you might want to take this approach when making these videos. You can make a separate video for each card but I think there's so much repetition and not much benefit from it. I think a discussion on how to categorize the cards that is generic enough for lots of people would be helpful.
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2013, 11:02:32 am »
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Can I suggest, you make one video (e.g. Smithy) all on your own, to give us an idea of what to contribute and what you're looking for? It's very vague to just say 'go use Smithy in optimal contexts' I fear.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 11:06:27 am »
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Can I suggest, you make one video (e.g. Smithy) all on your own, to give us an idea of what to contribute and what you're looking for? It's very vague to just say 'go use Smithy in optimal contexts' I fear.

Give me a couple days.
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2013, 11:39:57 pm »
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Something like this?  Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV9Qy_9HEso
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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2013, 02:03:51 am »
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Something like this?  Thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV9Qy_9HEso
That seems like a good simple tutorial for beginners.
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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2013, 05:09:38 am »
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That looks good, but if these are also tutorials for goko, then maybe the first time you play the card you could show it slower or something, showing where these extra cards are coming from.  But that all could be added into one big video about the goko interface.  I'm just thinking that people who might stumble upon these videos who only play IRL might be quite confused about what is going on.  But I like this initiative, and I wouldn't mind helping out with this.

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2013, 07:50:30 am »
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I actually like that video quite a lot. I don't know that someone who doesn't have your particular voice could be as effective at narrating a video like that.

If this is your aim for these videos, it seems that you wouldn't want a separate video for every single card out there. It may be helpful for us to brainstorm the ones we want to make. We have one for "terminal draw" here, I had mentioned some other categories before. Do other people think this is a good idea?
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2013, 07:57:23 am »
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You should post it on Board game geek.
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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2013, 08:07:10 am »
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That looks good, but if these are also tutorials for goko, then maybe the first time you play the card you could show it slower or something, showing where these extra cards are coming from.  But that all could be added into one big video about the goko interface.  I'm just thinking that people who might stumble upon these videos who only play IRL might be quite confused about what is going on.  But I like this initiative, and I wouldn't mind helping out with this.

The transitions are a little quick, aren't they?  In future I'd spend more time on each video and make sure that everything were clearly visible.

I actually like that video quite a lot. I don't know that someone who doesn't have your particular voice could be as effective at narrating a video like that.

*blush* Oh, stop...

If this is your aim for these videos, it seems that you wouldn't want a separate video for every single card out there. It may be helpful for us to brainstorm the ones we want to make. We have one for "terminal draw" here, I had mentioned some other categories before. Do other people think this is a good idea?

And yet each terminal draw card has its own special flavor to be discussed, usually.  Margrave should not be spammed, Rabble and Torturer should be, Journeyman requires finesse, and so on.  And I would be discussing the categories - are you familiar with the wiki at all?  There are actually separate articles for each category.

I guess my intention for these is for a player to look up a specific video for a specific card to get specific advice on how to play it.  As we get further into the expansions, the advice would get less and less "wait, what's an Action?" and more concerned with strategy and metagame.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2013, 08:08:31 am »
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You should post it on Board game geek.

But... but... but that involves logging into Board Game Geek...
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2013, 08:18:10 am »
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I actually like that video quite a lot. I don't know that someone who doesn't have your particular voice could be as effective at narrating a video like that.

*blush* Oh, stop...

No :P

But seriously, if I read those same words and attempted to sound like you, I'd come off as condescending of patronizing, but you come off as welcoming and caring.

And yet each terminal draw card has its own special flavor to be discussed, usually.  Margrave should not be spammed, Rabble and Torturer should be, Journeyman requires finesse, and so on.  And I would be discussing the categories - are you familiar with the wiki at all?  There are actually separate articles for each category.

I guess my intention for these is for a player to look up a specific video for a specific card to get specific advice on how to play it.  As we get further into the expansions, the advice would get less and less "wait, what's an Action?" and more concerned with strategy and metagame.

So how much information are you planning to repeat in the Hunting Grounds video vs. the Smithy video? You seem to have a particular vision that's different from the way I think about categorizing the cards, but I'm wondering if there's some way to get the best of both worlds here. If you're going to compare the terminal draw cards like that, it seems like that that content would fit best in one single video, not mentioning the sentence fragment that applies to Journeyman in that Journeyman video.
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Re: Strategy Videos for every card?
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2013, 08:20:36 am »
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Well, for Hunting Grounds in particular, I'd probably start with "it's terminal draw" as a starting place without repeating much from the Smithy video, but then go into the implications of the higher cost, and discuss the on-trash effect and its uses - when you'd take the Estates and things like that.
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2013, 08:30:35 am »
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You should post it on Board game geek.

But... but... but that involves logging into Board Game Geek...
Did you forget your password or what ?
If you want, I can do that myself. Actually I wanted to do so but there is a message : "Notice: PLEASE do not add videos created by other users before they have had a chance to do so themselves."
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