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[Voltgloss]

Galz:  I have much the same thought as you have.  I am still leaning toward having faust (and maybe everyone) fullclaim though.

[EFHW]

EFHW, why the breadcrumb?

you mean Day 2?

[Voltgloss]

EFHW, why the breadcrumb?

you mean Day 2?

You tell me.

[Voltgloss]

Day 2 voting history

Robz votes Eevee {1}
Archetype votes Walrus {1}
Robz unvotes Eevee {0}, votes Voltaire {1}
Voltaire votes EFHW {1}
mail-mi votes Voltaire {2}
Galzria votes Voltaire {3}
EFHW votes Voltaire {4}
bocaJ votes Robz {1}
bocaJ unvotes Robz {0}
AHoppy votes Walrus {2}
mail-mi unvotes Voltaire {3}
faust votes Walrus {3}
EFHW unvotes Voltaire {2}, votes Eevee {1}
Voltaire unvotes EFHW {0}
Galzria unvotes Voltaire {1}
Galzria votes Twistedarcher {1}
Robz unvotes Voltaire {0}, votes Eevee {2}
Voltaire votes Dsell {1}
Voltgloss votes Voltaire {1}
Robz unvotes Eevee {1}, votes Voltaire {2}
Jorbles votes Eevee {2}
Walrus votes Eevee {3}
Archetype unvotes Walrus {2}, votes Eevee {4}
Eevee votes Dsell {2}
mail-mi votes Dsell {3}
Walrus unvotes Eevee {3}
faust unvotes Walrus {1}
Walrus votes EFHW {1}
faust votes sudgy {1}
chairs votes Eevee {4}
EFHW unvotes Eevee {3}, votes Walrus {2}
Voltgloss unvotes Voltaire {1}, votes sudgy {2}
Voltgloss unvotes sudgy {1}
Jorbles unvotes Eevee {2}, votes EFHW {2}
EFHW unvotes Walrus {1}
Voltgloss votes chairs {1}
EFHW votes Twistedarcher {2}
Galzria unvotes Twistedarcher {1}, votes Galzria {1}
Voltgloss unvotes chairs {0}, votes Archetype {1}
Jorbles unvotes EFHW {1}, votes faust {1}
Voltaire unvotes Dsell {2}
Voltaire votes faust {2}
Robz unvotes Voltaire {0}, votes chairs {1}
bocaJ votes chairs {2}
Archetype unvotes Eevee {1}, votes faust {3}
Twistedarcher votes EFHW {2}
Robz unvotes chairs {1}, vot
Robz unvotes Voltaire {0}, votes chairs {2}
chairs unvotes Eevee {0}, votes faust {4}
mail-mi unvotes Dsell {1}, votes faust {5}
Twistedarcher unvotes EFHW {1}, votes faust {6}
Galzria unvotes Galzria {0}, votes Archetype {2}
EFHW unvotes Twistedarcher {0}, votes chairs {3}
Galzria unvotes Archetype {1}, votes mail-mi {1}
Robz unvotes chairs {2}, votes mail-mi {2}
sudgy votes mail-mi {3}
chairs unvotes faust {5}, votes mail-mi {4}
faust unvotes sudgy {0}, votes mail-mi {5}
EFHW unvotes chairs {1}, votes mail-mi {6}
Voltgloss unvotes Archetype {0}, votes mail-mi {7}
Voltaire unvotes faust {4}, votes mail-mi {8}
Voltaire unvotes mail-mi {7}
EFHW unvotes mail-mi {6}
Voltaire votes mail-mi {7}
Archetype unvotes faust {3}, votes mail-mi {8}
Archetype unvotes mail-mi {7}
Voltgloss unvotes mail-mi {6}
Eevee unvotes Dsell {0}, votes mail-mi {7}
Archetype votes mail-mi {8}
bocaJ unvotes chairs {0}
Voltgloss votes Archetype {1}
Robz unvotes mail-mi {7}
faust unvotes mail-mi {6}
Archetype unvotes mail-mi {5}, votes faust {4}
Twistedarcher unvotes faust {3}, votes Robz {1}
Galzria unvotes mail-mi {4}, votes Archetype {2}
Voltgloss unvotes Archetype {1}, votes bocaJ {1}
Voltgloss unvotes bocaJ {0}, votes Archetype {2}
faust votes EFHW {2}
Jorbles unvotes faust {2}, votes Archetype {3}
Voltgloss unvotes Archetype {2}, votes EFHW {3}
Voltgloss unvotes EFHW {2}, votes Archetype {3}
Twistedarcher unvotes Robz {0}, votes Archetype {4}
Walrus unvotes EFHW {1}, votes Archetype {5}
Voltaire unvotes mail-mi {3}, votes Archetype {6}
AHoppy unvotes Walrus {0}, votes Archetype {7}
Eevee unvotes mail-mi {2}, votes Archetype {8}
faust unvotes EFHW {0}, votes Archetype {9}

[EFHW]

I'll assume you mean the psychiatrist reference on Day 2.  I don't know how many people followed Save the Princess, but it was a game ashersky made up where the white knight has to find the princess and the princess can't claim or she will be killed.  Here I'm the white knight and the SK is the princess.  Once I realized the SK might want to be cured, like the princess wants to be found, I hoped he might signal me somehow.  I did other little breadcrumbing things, too.  But I didn't see anything, and it was a real longshot anyway, so eventually I just claimed. 

[Voltgloss]

Thanks.

I don't understand why you targeted faust instead of Eevee or mail-mi.  How does a town-Enabled SK make sense?

[Voltgloss]

I ask bocaJ to give a full flavor claim.

[EFHW]

I didn't think about that, actually.  Now that I am thinking about it, though, it doesn't sound all that improbable.  A town-enabled SK would be negative utility for town and would be a weakening of whatever PR the SK had been given. 

[Robz888]

I'll assume you mean the psychiatrist reference on Day 2.  I don't know how many people followed Save the Princess, but it was a game ashersky made up where the white knight has to find the princess and the princess can't claim or she will be killed.  Here I'm the white knight and the SK is the princess.  Once I realized the SK might want to be cured, like the princess wants to be found, I hoped he might signal me somehow.  I did other little breadcrumbing things, too.  But I didn't see anything, and it was a real longshot anyway, so eventually I just claimed.

Wait wait, I'm confused. You're saying the Sk is prohibited from claiming SK? And you know that? Then why did you ask the SK to claim yesterday?

[EFHW]

I'll assume you mean the psychiatrist reference on Day 2.  I don't know how many people followed Save the Princess, but it was a game ashersky made up where the white knight has to find the princess and the princess can't claim or she will be killed.  Here I'm the white knight and the SK is the princess.  Once I realized the SK might want to be cured, like the princess wants to be found, I hoped he might signal me somehow.  I did other little breadcrumbing things, too.  But I didn't see anything, and it was a real longshot anyway, so eventually I just claimed.

Wait wait, I'm confused. You're saying the Sk is prohibited from claiming SK? And you know that? Then why did you ask the SK to claim yesterday?

I don't have any special knowledge.  I'm saying I think the SK wouldn't claim unless guaranteed a cure b/c they would be lynched.

[Robz888]

I'll assume you mean the psychiatrist reference on Day 2.  I don't know how many people followed Save the Princess, but it was a game ashersky made up where the white knight has to find the princess and the princess can't claim or she will be killed.  Here I'm the white knight and the SK is the princess.  Once I realized the SK might want to be cured, like the princess wants to be found, I hoped he might signal me somehow.  I did other little breadcrumbing things, too.  But I didn't see anything, and it was a real longshot anyway, so eventually I just claimed.

Wait wait, I'm confused. You're saying the Sk is prohibited from claiming SK? And you know that? Then why did you ask the SK to claim yesterday?

I don't have any special knowledge.  I'm saying I think the SK wouldn't claim unless guaranteed a cure b/c they would be lynched.

Why would we lynch them if you can make them a townie? They would just become a Vig for us. Your story is not adding up to me.

[Jorbles]

I don't have any reason to believe this to be the case but the scenario that efhw is scum  who was trying to out the sk should be considered. That might be why the sk wouldn't claim

[Twistedarcher]

I'll assume you mean the psychiatrist reference on Day 2.  I don't know how many people followed Save the Princess, but it was a game ashersky made up where the white knight has to find the princess and the princess can't claim or she will be killed.  Here I'm the white knight and the SK is the princess.  Once I realized the SK might want to be cured, like the princess wants to be found, I hoped he might signal me somehow.  I did other little breadcrumbing things, too.  But I didn't see anything, and it was a real longshot anyway, so eventually I just claimed.

Wait wait, I'm confused. You're saying the Sk is prohibited from claiming SK? And you know that? Then why did you ask the SK to claim yesterday?

I don't have any special knowledge.  I'm saying I think the SK wouldn't claim unless guaranteed a cure b/c they would be lynched.

But they would be guaranteed a cure because of your claim, right?

[EFHW]

Why would we lynch them if you can make them a townie? They would just become a Vig for us. Your story is not adding up to me.

You are misunderstanding me.  I'm saying they do not know for sure there is a psychiatrist, so they will not claim.  That is different from Save the Princess.  I breadcrumbed and then claimed to give them that opportunity.  And they would not be a vig, unless town decided to trust them and put off curing them.  Psychiatrist turns SK into VT.

[EFHW]

But they would be guaranteed a cure because of your claim, right?

They wouldn't know until I claimed though.  You guys are talking about the SK claiming after I claim, I'm talking about before I claim.

[Twistedarcher]

Galz:  I have much the same thought as you have.  I am still leaning toward having faust (and maybe everyone) fullclaim though.

I agree that Faust should fullclaim.

Voltgloss, if you think that Faust is town, then do you still think Galzria is town? Scum/town and town/town doesn't make much sense in my eyes. I'd expect either scum/scum and town/town or scum/town and scum/town.

[EFHW]

faust made this point that may be worth revisiting.

Argh, of course a have forgotten the most notable thing about shraeye: He states twice (#561 and #1001) that mail-mi vs. chairs is town vs. town. This makes me think that one of them could well be scum.

This other post seems inconsistent with he and shraeye being partners, even though he later says shraeye seems towny after shraeye's wall of posts.

In fact, let me unvote for the time being. I would think that if Shraeye were scum, he would have turned up by now to defend himself more effectively. Maybe he was just being a bit blunt after all. Also, a couple of other people jumped on the Shraeye boat after me with minimal justification--not that my initial reasoning was any less tenuous, but still it raises some eyebrows.

I'm actually not so sure about this part. He played quite clever - not responding anymore, waiting for us to move on to someone else. And if this is planned, it worked quite well - the wagon has dissolved. I'll still FOS him.

[Voltgloss]

Galz:  I have much the same thought as you have.  I am still leaning toward having faust (and maybe everyone) fullclaim though.

I agree that Faust should fullclaim.

Voltgloss, if you think that Faust is town, then do you still think Galzria is town? Scum/town and town/town doesn't make much sense in my eyes. I'd expect either scum/scum and town/town or scum/town and scum/town.

Add mcmc/sudgy too.  If sudgy is telling truth he was effectively "enabled" as well.

[AHoppy]

I am caught up on D3 and I have a few thoughts, but am posting from a phone and have 30 min of WiFi. So:

I think we need to entertain the idea of chairs lying. It would be a really easy fake claim to make, with the first result being useless and the second being also useless. It's unfortunate that I have to suspect that, bit that's the game.

I'll reread Faust once on a puter

 Sudgy isn't sitting well with me. I don't like all the jokes here and no content at the start of the day. FoS and will also reread.

That's all I got for now, sorry I can't be super helpful ATM, but hey, smaller and smaller pool of options! We have hope

[Eevee]

I don't think lynching chairs can be optimal. If he is for real, scum has to kill him eventually. If they don't, well, eventually we'll lynch him and get confirmation of all his results.

[bocaJ]

I ask bocaJ to give a full flavor claim.

I am Claire Dunphy, a Stressed Out Mother and as already noted, 2-shot PGO.

I double checked my PM, and my PGO ability is only triggered during the night, so if anyone has a power role they can use to verify this during the day, go for it without risk.

[faust]

If our ICs agree that I should full-claim, I'll do it. I think it might be detrimental to town however, because I probably won't be able to give any important additional information for town, and scum learns more about the setup.

[faust]

I'm trying to figure out who's a good lynch for today. Some candidates:

Galzria: The first thing I thought after Arch's flip was "so if I'm town-enabled town, he must be scum-enabled scum". But I still do not think that he would claim in this situation. It just doesn't make any sense. So he's probably town.

Eevee: Okay, so worst-case scenario: we mislynch, two more town members die during the night. Then there are 11 players alive D4. If we have 5 scum left, they could potentially win with Eevee. But there's a SK out there (most likely), so this won't happen. So we could leave Eevee alive for now, but I would be also okay with lynching him. There's still the potential that his claim is just fake.

EFHW: Her claim just seems so out there. And shouldn't she have known that the SK won't claim? She could have been lying for all they know. I need to look at this in more detail, but she seems suspicious to me.

These are my thoughts from just reading the start of D3. For the other players, a reread will be necessary.

[Eevee]

On the other hand, it's not like scum is going to choose to play a low roll every time. It's not like they wouldn't realize how bad it looks.

[Eevee]

On the other hand, it's not like scum is going to choose to play a low roll every time. It's not like they wouldn't realize how bad it looks.

Wrong thread, my apologies!