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[fprefect]

Hello Everyone,

In a recent game (It was played too poorly to be mentioned here) There was Transmute, Feodum and a Curser on board --  Since transmute turned out to be an option on this board it also worked out well with Feodum in order to get Silvers and Golds. I don't think that this is a Combo on its own, but in certain circumstances it seems a nice synergy. What do you think? Also I wonder if this could compete vanilla BM.....

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[WanderingWinder]

I don't think it is very good at all, at least generally - I am buying potion (junk card), feodum (junk card), and transmute (junk card), so that IF the transmute collides with feodum (not likely in the general case), I can get 3 silver and a gold, still have two junk cards in deck. I imagine you are better just buying treasure.

Now, *can* it be okay? Sure, if you already have the potion, and you are building an engine which can accommodate the higher number of stop cards, and you have a spare buy where you don't need to get a different potion-cost card (this is a lot of ifs, but it can happen), then maybe it works out fine. I expect this to be rare.

Certainly I expect vanilla BM to outperform it in the general case.

[TheMirrorMan]

It seems to me a bit comparable to the double treasure map thingy. I agree with WW, you would have to be very lucky to get these together and yes BM will probably beat you unless you get help. A trasher or warehouse of the likes (as with treasure map) can help you, but if you count it out ...
One trasher/warehouse turn, one potion turn, one transmute buy turn, one feodum turn, then hope for the best. I would estimate at least 7/8 turns before you get anywhere and you'll still have considerable junk in your deck. And in the end I believe a double treasure map is better since you get more gold.

[fprefect]

well, dont forget that if it is an Estate game you can also transmute them.... And if you end up with an unfortunate 4 coin hand later you can go for one or two feodum. If there is a sifter you would want it any way I guess... and never forget about scout;)

[DG]

Foedums are a potential combination with any card that can trash them. Watchtower seems one of the best.

[popsofctown]

A Salvager for the potion helps a bit.  I'm not sure Transmute is a "junk card", that seems kind of severe.  You definitely need a third thing going on though.

[WanderingWinder]

A Salvager for the potion helps a bit.  I'm not sure Transmute is a "junk card", that seems kind of severe.  You definitely need a third thing going on though.

The problem is, you have salvager, why do you need transmute?

[popsofctown]

A Salvager for the potion helps a bit.  I'm not sure Transmute is a "junk card", that seems kind of severe.  You definitely need a third thing going on though.

The problem is, you have salvager, why do you need transmute?

Ok, maybe we make it a Forge, but there's Sea Hags so we can't wait long enough to get to it.  But we could definitely Forge the Potion later.


I'm trying X(

[WalrusMcFishSr]

Maybe Counterfeit would be interesting? A couple earlier Transmutes while ditching the potion, a thinner deck to collide Transmute with stuff, and Counterfeits for your bonus Silvers?

I don't think I've ever used Transmute in a single game honestly.

[popsofctown]

Maybe Counterfeit would be interesting? A couple earlier Transmutes while ditching the potion, a thinner deck to collide Transmute with stuff, and Counterfeits for your bonus Silvers?

I don't think I've ever used Transmute in a single game honestly.

chwhite has proven it can be used.

[LastFootnote]

This is a combo I'd at least be willing to try in a game that's half-Alchemy and half-Dark Ages. Coincidentally, this is the only time I'd ever see this combo on the board.

[eliegel34]

http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120502-193341-e59ced52.html

I know I've pulled it off at least one other time, but can't find the link at the moment.

Apparently Transmute is not always terrible.  Its still a card I almost never buy.

[flies]

if you haven't read http://dominionstrategy.com/2012/06/07/alchemy-transmute/ you may find it interesting.

There are few cards that are never ever useful.  Some are really terrible nearly all the time, e.g. transmute.