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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2013, 01:09:02 pm »
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Nut
$4 Victory
Worth 2 VP
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2013, 01:45:24 pm »
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Gondola --- ($5 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2013, 02:16:25 pm »
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Gondola --- ($4 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token

This is strictly better than Baker.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2013, 02:22:58 pm »
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Gondola --- ($4 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token

This is strictly better than Baker.
?  It's too strong, but not strictly better than Baker, unless I'm missing something...
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2013, 03:00:50 pm »
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Gondola --- ($4 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token

This is strictly better than Baker.

?  It's too strong, but not strictly better than Baker, unless I'm missing something...

Oops, I misread the +1 Coin as Action. My bad!
« Last Edit: August 31, 2013, 03:02:37 pm by eHalcyon »
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2013, 04:06:20 pm »
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Gondola --- ($4 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token

This is strictly better than Baker.

?  It's too strong, but not strictly better than Baker, unless I'm missing something...

Oops, I misread the +1 Coin as Action. My bad!

I would defend it is not strictly better than Baker. This card can be a cantrip at the sacrifice of the other options, while Baker is a guaranteed cantrip. But I do wonder whether I should change the price to $5 or leave it at $4. My thought process is all the possible combinations on separate cards would cost $3-$4. Any suggestions?
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2013, 04:15:33 pm »
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Gondola --- ($4 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token

This is strictly better than Baker.

?  It's too strong, but not strictly better than Baker, unless I'm missing something...

Oops, I misread the +1 Coin as Action. My bad!

I would defend it is not strictly better than Baker. This card can be a cantrip at the sacrifice of the other options, while Baker is a guaranteed cantrip. But I do wonder whether I should change the price to $5 or leave it at $4. My thought process is all the possible combinations on separate cards would cost $3-$4. Any suggestions?

You should change it to $5. It's strictly better than Peddler.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2013, 05:44:58 pm »
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Gondola --- ($4 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token

This is strictly better than Baker.

?  It's too strong, but not strictly better than Baker, unless I'm missing something...

Oops, I misread the +1 Coin as Action. My bad!

I would defend it is not strictly better than Baker. This card can be a cantrip at the sacrifice of the other options, while Baker is a guaranteed cantrip. But I do wonder whether I should change the price to $5 or leave it at $4. My thought process is all the possible combinations on separate cards would cost $3-$4. Any suggestions?

As I said, I misread the +1 Coin at the top as +1 Action, i.e. I thought it was always a cantrip.  It is not strictly better than Baker as is.  But it is still likely a $5 card.  If you have options that would be worth $4, it shouldn't cost $4 itself.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2013, 06:21:46 pm »
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What about that whole submissions is final rule?  I know the edit was quick, but, pandora's box and stuff
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2013, 06:59:16 pm »
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What about that whole submissions is final rule?  I know the edit was quick, but, pandora's box and stuff
Gondola --- ($5 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token

Unfortunately this submission does not qualify for the contest. There is no original mechanic/ use of a mechanic; Choices are Intrigue, VP chips are Prosperity and Coin Tokens are Guilds. Thank you for the submission, hopefully you'll submit another.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2013, 07:06:19 pm by Dominion_Contests »
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2013, 08:05:59 pm »
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Can I submit a card from the mini-set design contest?  I would submit Crystal Ball if it is allowed.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2013, 09:08:12 pm »
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Expedition
3$ Action-Duration
+1 Action
Now and at the start of your turn: +1 Action, +1$, +1 Buy.
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While this is in play, if you would gain a card of your choice, instead you gain a card of the same cost of the player to your left's choice.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2013, 09:09:26 pm »
+2

[Hahaha, I busted "solitaire dominion" open with an infinite replacement effect loop.  But solitaire dominion isn't real dominion anyway :)]
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2013, 03:52:09 pm »
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Expedition
3$ Action-Duration
+1 Action
Now and at the start of your turn: +1 Action, +1$, +1 Buy.
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While this is in play, if you would gain a card of your choice, instead you gain a card of the same cost of the player to your left's choice.

Thanks for the submission


Can I submit a card from the mini-set design contest?  I would submit Crystal Ball if it is allowed.
I added Crystal Ball too
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2013, 05:06:53 pm »
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Benefactor
$? - Action
+$2
While this is in play, when you buy a card costing at most what this card costs, gain a copy of it.
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Setup: Choose a card at random from the remaining kingdom cards in the game; its cost is this card's cost.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2013, 05:19:44 pm »
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So if I'm reading this right, this is sometimes a 5$ terminal silver that Haggles you a Lab when you buy a Lab.

Losing access to Province+Gold Haggle is not going to be enough of a downside, the card will be nuts, especially without a victory card clause like Haggler has.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2013, 12:55:54 am »
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What about that whole submissions is final rule?  I know the edit was quick, but, pandora's box and stuff
Gondola --- ($5 Action)

+1 Card
+1 Coin

Choose one: +1 Action, +1 Buy, +1 VP, or gain a coin token

Unfortunately this submission does not qualify for the contest. There is no original mechanic/ use of a mechanic; Choices are Intrigue, VP chips are Prosperity and Coin Tokens are Guilds. Thank you for the submission, hopefully you'll submit another.

Somehow missed the original mechanic part... embarrassing...
Question before I resubmit: If I submit an idea I have for Lastfootnote's contest, who has said "Do not disclose your submissions publicly, either in this thread or elsewhere!" Then I cannot use that same card for his contest? Correct?
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #42 on: September 02, 2013, 02:13:48 am »
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Question before I resubmit: If I submit an idea I have for Lastfootnote's contest, who has said "Do not disclose your submissions publicly, either in this thread or elsewhere!" Then I cannot use that same card for his contest? Correct?
This was already answered earlier:
Well, in this contest many submissions to the Prosperity contest would not qualify. To make up for the cards which could meet both contest's requirements, like a Treasure-Attack, I'll accept those submissions through PM... if that complies with the rules of the other contest. Ideally I'd like the submissions to be public, but i'll accept private submissions.

I'm not sure if we're encouraged, allowed, discouraged or disallowed to comment on the submitted cards (because that may influence the judges' ranking), but here are some of my thoughts on the cards. If it's the latter, I'll try to remove this part of the post as soon that is pointed out.

Illicit goods: Hmm... An expensive woodcutter to get one additional pile? Might be worth it if the goods card is strong. This will be viable if the goods card is very strong, so interesting card.

Vase: So this card forces you to some Big Money strategy, but big money strategies usually don't like alt-VP that much... It seems not too weak if there is some Big Money enabler costing $4 (or less). But I don't think it is too strong such that every game with this cards results in a big money mirror (far from that).

Band of Outcasts: So you can play money from your hand when buying a card? This will be really nice on self-trashers.

Nut: Nice.

Expedition: This looks really bad. With this card you often don't want to gain or buy any card costing $3-$5. That's a really really bad effect for two turns. It also have some problems rules wise: What does "of you choice" mean? The ruins gained from Death Cart, are those "of your choice"? The curse from a Torturer is that "of your choice"? Also, I think this can cause an infinite loop when buying a card with Trader in hand.
1. Player A has Expedition in play and Trader in hand, and buys a silver
2. Player A would gain a silver, having 2 "would gain"-effects.
3. Player A chooses to do the Expedition would gain-effect first
4. Player B chooses that Player A gains a Chancellor
[I'm not sure if all other would-gain-effect of gaining the Silvers stop now, but it doesn't matter, step 5 happens either way]
5. Player A reveals Trader to gain a Silver. Go to step 1.
So I think this card needs some nerfing.

Crystal Ball: Oh, that card. I like the idea.

Benefactor: As popsofctown noted, this really needs a victory clause. Other than that, it can be really strong at $5, as popsofctown pointed out. And at 4 it is similar to Talisman, except that it gives +$1 while being terminal, but that is MUCH stronger (compare copper to terminal $2, silver to terminal $3 or gold to terminal $4). So this really needs to get weaker, I think it won't be too weak if it gives just +$1. Then you get the problem that it is (almost) "strictly worse" than Talisman in games where it costs $4 (provided that the victory clause is added). Maybe to prevent that you want to change the vanilla bonus to something completely different like:
+$1,+1 Buy
+1 Card, +1 Buy
+2 Cards (although that might be too strong again)
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2013, 02:19:13 am »
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Somehow missed the original mechanic part... embarrassing...
Question before I resubmit: If I submit an idea I have for Lastfootnote's contest, who has said "Do not disclose your submissions publicly, either in this thread or elsewhere!" Then I cannot use that same card for his contest? Correct?

The OP said he would take submissions by PM.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2013, 02:35:13 am »
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Diviner
0$+<potion> Action

Trash a card from your hand.  +1 VP if it is a Curse.
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At the end of the game, if your deck contains at least as many Diviners as Victory cards, treat the trash pile as though it were a part of your deck.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2013, 02:50:05 am »
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@florrat:
Of your choice means that when you gained the card, you gained it using an effect that had at least 2 possible cards that you could gain as a result of the effect.  So if all the prizes are gone, gaining a Duchy is not of your choice.  If prizes remain, the card you pick is of your choice, so you probably want to pick Duchy lest you gain a curse.

Trader doesn't create an infinite loop, because gaining a Silver due to Trader isn't "gain a card of your choice" event, it's a "gain a Silver" event, which does not involve any choosing. You choose whether to reveal a Trader, but you don't choose which card you will gain when the gain event is replaced.  So the Expedition doesn't trigger and the player to the left can't pick a new card at that point.  You'll get a Silver.

Cursing attacks, Cultists, and even Explorer all give you a specific card, so you get that specific card, because you don't choose what you gain.


The card was supposed to actually say "gain a card of your choice or a card you bought", but I messed it up and don't want to violate the finality rules.  Buying a card causes you to gain that specific card, you don't get to choose which card you gain as a result of buying, it's always the one you bought.  So as I currently have it written, the effect will only trigger on Workshop type events.  Possibly this error is some of the source of confusion, since it is easy to tell that the designer's intent is for the card to work on buys, but a literal reading of the phrase "of your choice" makes it not work on buys.
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2013, 04:05:06 am »
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Okay, I understand your card better now. I just want to say that your definition of "of your choice" is one of the possible definitions for it. If I reveal a trader, then in my opinion, I chose to gain a silver for the silver. If I play a Explorer and reveal a Province then I chose gold over a silver. In fact, if Workshop was formulated as "choose a card in the supply costing at most $4. Gain (a copy of) the chosen card", then according to your explanation it won't trigger (I gained just 1 specific card, which I chose the effect before that). But in fact, as has been pointed out in other topics, this is actually what happens when you gain a card: first you choose some card, then you gain it. This matters with certain Trader/Ruins/Talisman interactions or something. When I read the card I thought the "of your choice" meant something like "whenever you gain a card during your turn from any effect but this one"

Well I don't want to sound to negative (sorry if I do), I just think the card is not so clear on what it does, and if the "while in play"-clause works for all buys, then I think the card is too weak. I do like the general idea, though, that one of your opponents decides which card you will be getting.

PS: The card also has some non-obvious interactions with Possession (both if the possessing player and the possessed player has one of these in play).
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2013, 04:23:46 am »
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Windmill
Action
+1 Action, +1 Card, +1 Buy.
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When you gain this card, +4$.
Cost 3$
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #48 on: September 02, 2013, 04:27:13 am »
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Thieves' Guild
Reaction
When an opponent would gain a card, you may reveal and trash this card. If you do, you gain that card and your opponent gains this card from the trash instead.
Cost: 4$
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Re: New Dominion CONTEST
« Reply #49 on: September 02, 2013, 04:34:15 am »
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Elf
$2 Action
+1 Card
+1 Action
Each other player reveals his hand.
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