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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1400 on: June 25, 2014, 09:05:37 am »
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I still lead all of you in sad legendary stories with my solitary King Krush.
Seriously, it's like you don't have any legendaries at all, like me.

You aren't in the competition yet.  The battle is for "least happy player to have opened a legendary" or some such title.  You can't compete until you get one, and most likely it'll be better than King Krush, so your only hope is for a tie.

My only legendary is Jaraxxus. A 9-drop is useless in a zoo deck, and I'm several Giants short of a handlock deck.  So he's doing nothing but sitting in my binder.

Are there any legitimately competitive decks that can use Jaraxxus?  There are zero with KK in it.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1401 on: June 25, 2014, 09:41:10 am »
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I've seen him used in handlock before, he's not bad there.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1402 on: June 25, 2014, 09:47:18 am »
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The real problem with King Krush is that Ragnaros exists.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1403 on: June 25, 2014, 11:00:19 am »
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You know, I've always been confused as to why Miracle will sometimes only run 1xConceal. I don't play constructed, but I always got the impression that you wanted to do Auctioneer + Conceal to prepare for next turn. Maybe I'm overestimating the amount of mana you need to go off, but having to spend 5 on Auctioneer feels like a lot, and leaving an unstealthed Auctioneer sounds like suicide.
The problem with Conceal is that it's kind of a "win more" card. It's totally useless in your hand most of the time if you don't have an Auctioneer. Some people run 2x Cold Blood and 2x Conceal, and those decks seem strong when you play against them and see them go off, but a lot of the time, they're going to find themselves with literally no playable cards in their hand.

Even without Conceal, it's not that hard to draw 3 cards off of an Auctioneer. Prep+any spell draws 2 cards for zero mana, and then if you have a couple more spare mana you can play another spell. Then either you've drawn enough to kill or you have Conceal for your second Auctioneer. The thing that makes modern Miracle decks so much better than the old ones is that they don't rely nearly as heavily on Auctioneer+Conceal because they have more minions.

Are there any legitimately competitive decks that can use Jaraxxus?  There are zero with KK in it.
Jaraxxus used to be played in both Handlock and Zoo, but is now played in neither.

The problem in Handlock is that on turn 9, you need to be clearing the board and/or playing a taunt so you don't die to Force+Roar or Leeroy+Shadowsteps or some Rockbiter or Bloodlust thing or whatever. Being at 15hp isn't any good. So the only way you can play him is if you can clear their board with Soulfire or you have some taunt still up. This doesn't happen often enough to be worth it.

The problem with Zoo is the Doomguards will always discard him. I used to play a version of Zoo that just maintained board control until turn 9 to play Jaraxxus and then win with the Infernals. This doesn't run into the problem of needing board impact on turn 9, since you should have board control at that point. But this plan is inferior to the "win with Doomguards" one.

The real problem with King Krush is that Ragnaros exists.
The problem with King Krush is that:
1. It's a control card that's only usable by a hero whose hero power is not for control strategies.
2. It's the greatest thing ever for your opponent to Faceless.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1404 on: June 25, 2014, 11:16:25 am »
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I lost to Jaraxxus in a match vs. Handlock today. (and I had him at 1hp the turn before, with leper gnome and Eviscerate in hand). At rank 2-3 on EU.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1405 on: June 25, 2014, 11:20:42 am »
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The real problem with King Krush is that Ragnaros exists.
The problem with King Krush is that:
1. It's a control card that's only usable by a hero whose hero power is not for control strategies.
2. It's the greatest thing ever for your opponent to Faceless.
All of that is true (wow does Faceless Manipulator have laser sight on legendaries or what). The way I see it is that KK is shut down by taunters, and is still not very mana efficient even when there are no taunters. Rag might hit face even with taunt minions on the board, else it destroys minions without taking damage. At 8 mana, you can squeeze in a hero power too. The fact that KK is only available for Hunter makes things more sad.

On paper, KK seems useful though.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1406 on: June 25, 2014, 05:24:17 pm »
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The real problem with King Krush is that Ragnaros exists.
The problem with King Krush is that:
1. It's a control card that's only usable by a hero whose hero power is not for control strategies.
2. It's the greatest thing ever for your opponent to Faceless.
All of that is true (wow does Faceless Manipulator have laser sight on legendaries or what). The way I see it is that KK is shut down by taunters, and is still not very mana efficient even when there are no taunters. Rag might hit face even with taunt minions on the board, else it destroys minions without taking damage. At 8 mana, you can squeeze in a hero power too. The fact that KK is only available for Hunter makes things more sad.

On paper, KK seems useful though.

The standard argument I see is, assuming no taunts and he hits to the face, KK is a 6/8 for 9, given you lose the ability for the Hero shot.

Plus taunt, plus faceless, etc.

He's a very expensive single minion removal the turn he's cast.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1407 on: June 25, 2014, 06:45:48 pm »
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^Or he's an 8/8 that does 6 face damage, making him a double size Nightblade.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1408 on: June 25, 2014, 06:53:48 pm »
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^Or he's an 8/8 that does 6 face damage, making him a double size Nightblade.

4/4 body + 5* face damage for 7 mana
8/8 body + 6* face damage for 9 mana

(*takes into account Hero Power usage/nonusage)

In comparison to one particular midlevel card, it looks kinda okay.  That's not how I'd except most Legendaries to be described.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1409 on: June 25, 2014, 06:55:10 pm »
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^Or he's an 8/8 that does 6 face damage, making him a double size Nightblade.

4/4 body + 5* face damage for 7 mana
8/8 body + 6* face damage for 9 mana

(*takes into account Hero Power usage/nonusage)

In comparison to one particular midlevel card, it looks kinda okay.  That's not how I'd except most Legendaries to be described.

Also, Nightblade is Shadow Word immune and a lame Faceless target; KK is SW: Death fodder and a great Faceless target.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1410 on: June 26, 2014, 01:44:56 am »
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Just played rainbowdash. Of all the places for ponies, I was not expecting Hearthstone.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1411 on: June 26, 2014, 09:34:53 am »
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Just played rainbowdash. Of all the places for ponies, I was not expecting Hearthstone.

MMO-Champion, a forum/news site that focuses on WOW, has had pony threads for years, totalling several hundred thousand posts.  Here's thread... 16:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1508119-My-Little-Pony-Friendship-is-Magic-part-16-Twilight-Time!-Twilight-Time!
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1412 on: June 26, 2014, 05:14:02 pm »
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Just played rainbowdash. Of all the places for ponies, I was not expecting Hearthstone.

MMO-Champion, a forum/news site that focuses on WOW, has had pony threads for years, totalling several hundred thousand posts.  Here's thread... 16:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1508119-My-Little-Pony-Friendship-is-Magic-part-16-Twilight-Time!-Twilight-Time!
that thread is just a few pages away from reaching eleet status!
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1413 on: June 27, 2014, 01:14:16 am »
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I wish there were a "you're welcome" emote to go along with the "thank you" emote. :)
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1414 on: June 27, 2014, 01:51:30 am »
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I wish there were a "you're welcome" emote to go along with the "thank you" emote. :)

I always want to say "You welcome" but then am sad that I can't.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1415 on: June 27, 2014, 12:15:14 pm »
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In all my packs before I only got Black Knight on EU. In my last pack on NA I got both Ysera and Ony (along with 2 epics and a rare)
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1416 on: June 27, 2014, 12:18:58 pm »
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In all my packs before I only got Black Knight on EU. In my last pack on NA I got both Ysera and Ony (along with 2 epics and a rare)

Wow... that's crazy. Even if they're all duplicates, the dust value is huge...
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1417 on: June 28, 2014, 08:03:41 am »
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They need a Bullshit emote for me to spam after some of my recent games.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1418 on: June 28, 2014, 09:30:15 am »
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They need a Bullshit emote for me to spam after some of my recent games.
I've seen players make do with the Threaten emote for that kind of thing. And anyway, all hope of being obnoxious can be squelched.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1419 on: June 28, 2014, 11:58:11 am »
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Does anyone else have problems with the client being buggy launching the game? It seems like lately, everytime it doesn't work and I have to restart the client to get Hearthstone to launch.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1420 on: June 28, 2014, 12:05:22 pm »
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For Ashersky:
http://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/299hzn/a_couple_of_decks_to_try_out_if_youre_getting/

It's someone talking about a control Hunter deck that uses King Krush! (...and 5 other legendaries...)
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1421 on: June 28, 2014, 01:52:48 pm »
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Kisstafer plays Jaraxxus handlock, or did a couple weeks ago.  Jaraxxus is not helpful in several matchups, but he obliterates shaman, which is a tough matchup
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1422 on: June 28, 2014, 04:26:15 pm »
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For Ashersky:
http://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/299hzn/a_couple_of_decks_to_try_out_if_youre_getting/

It's someone talking about a control Hunter deck that uses King Krush! (...and 5 other legendaries...)

My KK deck is a poor man's version of that, but uses the buzzard/uth combo.  I do have 2x epic pirate, but no parrot.  Maybe I can make it work.
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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1423 on: June 28, 2014, 07:39:00 pm »
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Quick!  I'm building an arena deck and my first card is a legendary... What do I do?

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Re: Has anyone learned Hearthstone yet?
« Reply #1424 on: June 28, 2014, 07:41:24 pm »
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Also, I'm a warrior
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