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[Titandrake]

More Hearthstone rules bullshit: if you have Djinni of Zephyrs on your side of the board, and play Entomb on an enemy's minion, your Djinni will also get shuffled into your deck. The Entombed minion turns friendly right before Djinni does its trigger check.

This essentially cost me an arena game, so yeah I'm a bit mad.

[KingZog3]

More Hearthstone rules bullshit: if you have Djinni of Zephyrs on your side of the board, and play Entomb on an enemy's minion, your Djinni will also get shuffled into your deck. The Entombed minion turns friendly right before Djinni does its trigger check.

This essentially cost me an arena game, so yeah I'm a bit mad.

Djinni seems to have a lot of rules like this that are not apparent. I've seen a bunch of things like this happen and they all are not intuitive.

[qmech]

Timing rules in Hearthstone are not made explicit in game, so quite a few of the interactions are surprising.  Mind Control Tech will trigger a stolen Knife Juggler, for instance.  Djinni is a case where timing matters a lot, so brings to the surface issues that you can usually safely ignore.

[KingZog3]

Timing rules in Hearthstone are not made explicit in game, so quite a few of the interactions are surprising.  Mind Control Tech will trigger a stolen Knife Juggler, for instance.  Djinni is a case where timing matters a lot, so brings to the surface issues that you can usually safely ignore.

For MCTech, battlcries happen before any "on the board" effects. Before secrets, before knife jugglers etc. This is evident from Kezan Mystic with Mirror Entity and Sacred Trial. I mean, it's not evident without a bit of thought, but I think battcries are consistent in these cases

[Awaclus]

Timing rules in Hearthstone are not made explicit in game, so quite a few of the interactions are surprising.  Mind Control Tech will trigger a stolen Knife Juggler, for instance.  Djinni is a case where timing matters a lot, so brings to the surface issues that you can usually safely ignore.

For MCTech, battlcries happen before any "on the board" effects. Before secrets, before knife jugglers etc. This is evident from Kezan Mystic with Mirror Entity and Sacred Trial. I mean, it's not evident without a bit of thought, but I think battcries are consistent in these cases

Actually that's not exactly how it works. Battlecries happen before the After Play phase (where Secrets resolve) and the After Summon phase (where Knife Juggler resolves), but after the On Play phase, where, for example, Questing Adventurer resolves.

[Kirian]

Timing rules in Hearthstone are not made explicit in game, so quite a few of the interactions are surprising.  Mind Control Tech will trigger a stolen Knife Juggler, for instance.  Djinni is a case where timing matters a lot, so brings to the surface issues that you can usually safely ignore.

For MCTech, battlcries happen before any "on the board" effects. Before secrets, before knife jugglers etc. This is evident from Kezan Mystic with Mirror Entity and Sacred Trial. I mean, it's not evident without a bit of thought, but I think battcries are consistent in these cases

Actually that's not exactly how it works. Battlecries happen before the After Play phase (where Secrets resolve) and the After Summon phase (where Knife Juggler resolves), but after the On Play phase, where, for example, Questing Adventurer resolves.

Hearthstone:  Trying to be as complex as MTG, but without taking the time to explicitly describe all the game mechanics.

[Awaclus]

Hearthstone:  Trying to be as complex as MTG, but without taking the time to explicitly describe all the game mechanics.

It does that automatically by virtue of being a computer game. You can't do anything that's not in the rules, and you can do everything that is. In Magic, the comprehensive rulebook is not included with the packs you buy and you're not expected to know it any better than you're expected to know the advanced rules of Hearthstone; the only difference is that when you don't know the rules of Hearthstone, you can still proceed with the game.

[Titandrake]

Hearthstone is not trying to be as complex as MTG, and that's fine. The program follows the rules exactly, which is also fine. What annoys me is that it's up to the community to find out all the rules edge-cases by reconstructing them from gameplay. It also doesn't help when the unwritten rules can get changed periodically (e.g. for the old Warsong, it used to give Charge before Battlecry, then it was changed and marked as a "bug" for several months.)

In MTG, the comprehensive rules aren't meant to be read, they're what you refer to as a last resort. Hearthstone doesn't need comprehensive rules, but it's very annoying that the closest thing to an advanced rulebook comes from the wiki, and that people have to tweet developers to ask rules questions about newly revealed cards.

[KingZog3]

I only just thought of this, but is Shielded Minibot a refernce to star trek? He says "Shields up! Red alert!" what Riker says in Next Generation all the time.

[pingpongsam]

99.09% I play with the sound off (which is how I do everything except youtube)

In the 00.11% of the time the sound is on (because I previously did youtube) I immediately remember why. I understand there is a whole element of the game I am missing but i have to say that improves the experience.

[Jorbles]

I only just thought of this, but is Shielded Minibot a refernce to star trek? He says "Shields up! Red alert!" what Riker says in Next Generation all the time.

Probably. The game is littered with references to nerd culture. I hadn't thought of this one, but you're probably right.

[markusin]

I only just thought of this, but is Shielded Minibot a refernce to star trek? He says "Shields up! Red alert!" what Riker says in Next Generation all the time.

Probably. The game is littered with references to nerd culture. I hadn't thought of this one, but you're probably right.

And I'm pretty sure its flavour text is a reference to Futurama.

[KingZog3]

I only just thought of this, but is Shielded Minibot a refernce to star trek? He says "Shields up! Red alert!" what Riker says in Next Generation all the time.

Probably. The game is littered with references to nerd culture. I hadn't thought of this one, but you're probably right.

And I'm pretty sure its flavour text is a reference to Futurama.

I looked it up and, and all the sound clips from minibot are star trek references. And the flavour text is indded from futurama.

[Haddock]

I only just thought of this, but is Shielded Minibot a refernce to star trek? He says "Shields up! Red alert!" what Riker says in Next Generation all the time.

Probably. The game is littered with references to nerd culture. I hadn't thought of this one, but you're probably right.

And I'm pretty sure its flavour text is a reference to Futurama.

I looked it up and, and all the sound clips from minibot are star trek references. And the flavour text is indded from futurama.

I would love it if we discovered that the actual entrance clip is just Riker's voice taken up an octave or so.

[Watno]

A rotating format will be added: http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19995505
TLDR: In the new Standard format, cards from expansions 2 years pror won't be usable. With the release of the next expansion, Naxx and GvG will be phased out, then BRM, LoE, and TGT will be phased out with the release of the first expansion in 2017.
Cards not available in Standard will only be available by crafting them with dust.
There'll also be a Wild format in which all cards are playable.
Arena will continue to have all cards.

Also, some Classic/Basic cards will be nerfed (Druid combo most likely)

[Awaclus]

A rotating format will be added: http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/19995505
TLDR: In the new Standard format, cards from expansions 2 years pror won't be usable. With the release of the next expansion, Naxx and GvG will be phased out, then BRM, LoE, and TGT will be phased out with the release of the first expansion in 2017.
Cards not available in Standard will only be available by crafting them with dust.
There'll also be a Wild format in which all cards are playable.
Arena will continue to have all cards.

Also, some Classic/Basic cards will be nerfed (Druid combo most likely)

I hope this means that a little bit wilder decks might actually be allowed in Wild instead of getting nerfed to death as soon as something is almost viable.

[KingZog3]

This means about 90% of all mechs will not be usable in Standard. So if they want that tag to survive, they will have to introduce a ton of new mechs.

EDIT: Also, does this affect discover cards? Or unstable Portal? Or will they also be limited to the current card pool of the game mode you're in?

EDIT#2: And they're cycling out adventures, which means we won't be able to play adevntures we missed? That seems unwise. Why not just give them for free to everyone once they're out of the cycle? because it seems you need to still purchase the first wing to even play the bosses, which seems silly. Just let everyone enjoy your content once it no longer matters.

[Kirian]

Well, suddenly crafting Dr. Boom was a waste of dust...

[Watno]

My hope of getting full dust for 4 Dr. Booms died as well

[Watno]

EDIT: Also, does this affect discover cards? Or unstable Portal? Or will they also be limited to the current card pool of the game mode you're in?

Limited to current pool.

[KingZog3]

Well, suddenly crafting Dr. Boom was a waste of dust...

You can still get all the same rewards from Wild game mode. So no, not really a huge waste.

[werothegreat]

I'll probably keep playing Wild.  Should be fun.

[markusin]

This means about 90% of all mechs will not be usable in Standard. So if they want that tag to survive, they will have to introduce a ton of new mechs.

EDIT: Also, does this affect discover cards? Or unstable Portal? Or will they also be limited to the current card pool of the game mode you're in?

EDIT#2: And they're cycling out adventures, which means we won't be able to play adevntures we missed? That seems unwise. Why not just give them for free to everyone once they're out of the cycle? because it seems you need to still purchase the first wing to even play the bosses, which seems silly. Just let everyone enjoy your content once it no longer matters.

I imagine with the standard format, it's not necessary for tag-based decks to survive, being replaced by the flavour of the most recent expansions

Concerning Boss battles from phased out adventure expansions, I do hope they come up with a way to make them accessible to newer players even if they come with no cards. I mean, it's cool to try those old bosses with new cards.

Edit: Oh, I don't think they've answered what kinds of packs can be acquired from Arena. Will it pick randomly from the packs currently allowed in standard? Will that include basic packs?

[pingpongsam]

Seems early for this. Strikes me as lazy. I was looking forward to seeing the current game expanded and more or less balanced. Here Blizzard is just throwing in the towel and saying they can't create a balanced card pool of any real size so they will just make a new game once a year and let the full card pool be a cesspool of brokenness (which it will inevitably become since they will no longer concern themselves with it).

[markusin]

Seems early for this. Strikes me as lazy. I was looking forward to seeing the current game expanded and more or less balanced. Here Blizzard is just throwing in the towel and saying they can't create a balanced card pool of any real size so they will just make a new game once a year and let the full card pool be a cesspool of brokenness (which it will inevitably become since they will no longer concern themselves with it).

Hrm, I do hope they don't downplay balance concerns in Wild mode the same way they (arguably) did so for Arena. I think I'd be more interested in playing Wild mode on average just because it doesn't require me to always be up to date with the latest content.