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[Witherweaver]

why don't people think about the things in OP that he doesn't know first?

Probably because it's impossible to know what someone else does or does not know.

You can't know that!

[GendoIkari]

Conciseness and a modicum of warmth and respect towards others are not mutually exclusive.

i agree. the scumbag meme was probably unnecessary in this thread.

Yeah, it was quite the scumbag move!

Someone metascumbag meme the scumbag meme for many upvotes.

No.

EDIT: Someone puts in the "How abut no"-bear for many upvotes 

[DG]

My conclusion (that Venture is relatively worthless in Province games) mostly agrees with GeoLib's simulation.

We can simulate labs, markets, and cartographers as well if you like and they will look even more worthless. Those are decent cards and ventures are generally better in treasure games.

[GeoLib]

I think the conclusion to draw from the simulation is more along the lines of "venture isn't better than gold in province games without a way to trash copper." Which... isn't that surprising really.

[timchen]

why don't people think about the things in OP that he doesn't know first?

Probably because it's impossible to know what someone else does or does not know.

What I meant to say was "Why don't people first think about the things in the OP that himself doesn't know about?"

Yes one may not know whether others know the things you are going to talk about, but one can certainly at least try to notice something that himself does not know about, especially if it is written in the open post. And the dismissiveness really just comes from this "refusal to read and think about something yourself do not really know."

That being said, I quite like this sentiment. A really serious issue I encounter when I write papers.

@dondon: I am sorry if I misread or misunderstand, but I somehow saw you said somewhere that you usually get one gold then ventures. That's where my comment is from.

[WanderingWinder]

why don't people think about the things in OP that he doesn't know first?

Probably because it's impossible to know what someone else does or does not know.

What I meant to say was "Why don't people first think about the things in the OP that himself doesn't know about?"

Yes one may not know whether others know the things you are going to talk about, but one can certainly at least try to notice something that himself does not know about, especially if it is written in the open post. And the dismissiveness really just comes from this "refusal to read and think about something yourself do not really know."

That being said, I quite like this sentiment. A really serious issue I encounter when I write papers.

@dondon: I am sorry if I misread or misunderstand, but I somehow saw you said somewhere that you usually get one gold then ventures. That's where my comment is from.

I do quite understand your sentiment and generally agree - BUT, I, for instance, hadn't actually thought of Venture in quite the way dondon posted. (Indeed, what I would have described as the straightforward thing that venture does is give $1 and draw a treasure; adding $1 to the value of a treasure is perhaps a subtle difference, but I think it's quite an interesting one). Or when someone first said it was a peddler variant - this is just as much 'printed on the card', but I really hadn't thought of it that way at all until someone said it. So the larger point is that what seems obvious to one person doesn't necessarily seem obvious to another. And generally, I think it is better to give more things, even if they seem obvious, than less, if we have to risk erring on one side or the other. Of course, this is merely my opinion.
Anyhow, there's also nothing wrong with suggesting that someone is over-thinking a problem, either.

[blueblimp]

I'm not sure it's even accurate-enough-to-be-useful to think of Venture as upgrading a treasure by $1. An additional benefit of Venture is to increase the chance of drawing a treasure in hand. For example, if you have 10 Ventures and 1 Platinum, that's way different than having a single treasure worth $15, because with the former deck you're likely to play all your treasure every turn even if you greened a fair bit, and with the latter deck you really aren't.