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The Lost Games
« on: August 10, 2013, 02:01:06 pm »
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So, a few weeks ago, I made a mistake on my audio settings, and ended up losing something like 50 or 60 games' worth of usable videos. So, the best grouping of these games (funnest and/or most instructional) are going to be what I am posting in this thread.

I'm going to start off here with a bunch of these that are more middling and instructional, with only sparse comments. Later you can expect more sheer fun, long description and/or guess-the-way-it-went kind of things.

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130726/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1374883427739.txt
Here we see a few things: First, wishing well vs silver. I love wishing well early on, and you would think with minion, silver isn't so great (of course, wishing well isn't AS big either). But I go for silvers after the first WW, my opponent grabs more wells - and I think this was a thing, as later on, your success rate is just not going to be great. Next, Minions - especially when they're split, you run out of steam with minions before finishing things out. Finally, tournament - I get to provinces first, but I can't get prizes for a good long while. My opponent gets Steed and Followers. Finally, endgame endgame endgame. I move to slow the game down, my opponent follows. I *think* this is a mistake, at least to some extent - (the turn 17 estate buy sticks out here), but on the other hand, it's very very tricky, because if you flip one more duchy from him to me, then even the last province doesn't do it for him, at least if it wasn't super early. Also, followers slows us both down for me. And I definitely get somewhat lucky from being behind here, though I was at least somewhat unlucky to get that far behind.

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130728/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1375050279524.txt
This one is mostly about soothsayer. You get so many golds, you can green so early and hard. Well, it's also about remake. So many just isn't so great. And native village - it's just a solid, usable card with pretty good versatility.

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130728/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1375051478798.txt
The power of beggar! Also, again, you have to watch the piles - sure, maybe you won't reshuffle before they clog you, but don't always estate.

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130728/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1375052981080.txt
Mass venture is interesting, but fool's gold is really good, you know?

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130728/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1375060250769.txt
Everything to interact with copper - WW and coppersmith is really good, you know? But also cutpurse, which is killing. And beggar's reaction surprisingly good again.

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130807/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1375933347359.txt
Spoiler alert - Rebuild can be outraced!

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130728/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1375057050064.txt
Inn and Jack go really really well together.

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130716/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1373997570111.txt
Stonemason and Hunting Grounds - hey, sometimes engines can come back by getting gobs of duchies.

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Re: The Lost Games
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2013, 02:43:46 pm »
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In game 1, I think that turn 15 would have been a good place for SCSN to take the 4 Silvers option on Steed.
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Re: The Lost Games
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 06:15:12 pm »
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To follow up on the Rebuild theme, the way to beat it is very often just to be faster - with Big Money! Now, you need pretty good BM for that, but it's doable. Here's another game on that end:

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130811/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1376270604714.txt
Definitely helps that it's shelters here, though I also don't draw the best (many 7s) or play the best (expand with those 7s is I think not that hot).

And here's a very complicated game with Rebuild and shelters:


So, there's a feodum interaction, a tunnel interaction, a trade route interaction (lots of those, actually), a number of engine pieces, and possession if you go too deep. So a lot to think about. What do you do? (Log below) I don't think it's spoiling much to say that this indeed was an interesting game with rebuild in it.



http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130728/log.514b5511e4b0b79c883b5e3b.1375049778003.txt
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