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[Awaclus]

http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130726/log.510d7890e4b0ac7a7a0be611.1374856630064.txt

I realized (a little bit too late - had already bought a Chapel which ended up being a $2 Confusion) that Stonemason allows for a double Workshop even if you have a 5/2 and is actually quite decent for a Gardens deck itself. So I tried it out and won. Do you think this was actually a good idea or did I just get lucky? It's also worth noting that I didn't play this optimally, I had a couple of buys/gains that I spent way too little time thinking over.

[SCSN]

I'm far from an expert at rushes, but wouldn't you want to open Council Room/Copper if you want to go for Gardens? CR is the only thing with +buy, and if you open Stone Mason/2xWorkshop you've already ruined your economy to such an extent that you're unlikely to be able to overpay for Stonemason again. With CR you have the potential to that at least a few more times over the course of the game.

[DG]

There are quite a few ways of going about that. Butcher is a possible 5/2 opener, giving some endgame options that will be gone forever in a pure workshop rush. Thrones come into it and the three pile ending depends upon the play. Lots going on for a gardens kingdom.

[Awaclus]

I'm far from an expert at rushes, but wouldn't you want to open Council Room/Copper if you want to go for Gardens? CR is the only thing with +buy, and if you open Stone Mason/2xWorkshop you've already ruined your economy to such an extent that you're unlikely to be able to overpay for Stonemason again. With CR you have the potential to that at least a few more times over the course of the game.

I don't think that overpaying for Stonemason again is important if you have the Workshops, because Workshops can gain more Workshops and I think I'd just use Stonemason's overpay to get more Workshops, too.

[SCSN]

I'm far from an expert at rushes, but wouldn't you want to open Council Room/Copper if you want to go for Gardens? CR is the only thing with +buy, and if you open Stone Mason/2xWorkshop you've already ruined your economy to such an extent that you're unlikely to be able to overpay for Stonemason again. With CR you have the potential to that at least a few more times over the course of the game.

I don't think that overpaying for Stonemason again is important if you have the Workshops, because Workshops can gain more Workshops and I think I'd just use Stonemason's overpay to get more Workshops, too.

Yeah but Workshop + your normal buy gives you 2 cards/turn, whereas Council Room -> overpay for stonemason + additional buy gives you 4 cards, which seems preferable to me, at least early on when you don't yet want to buy Gardens.

[Awaclus]

I'm far from an expert at rushes, but wouldn't you want to open Council Room/Copper if you want to go for Gardens? CR is the only thing with +buy, and if you open Stone Mason/2xWorkshop you've already ruined your economy to such an extent that you're unlikely to be able to overpay for Stonemason again. With CR you have the potential to that at least a few more times over the course of the game.

I don't think that overpaying for Stonemason again is important if you have the Workshops, because Workshops can gain more Workshops and I think I'd just use Stonemason's overpay to get more Workshops, too.

Yeah but Workshop + your normal buy gives you 2 cards/turn, whereas Council Room -> overpay for stonemason + additional buy gives you 4 cards, which seems preferable to me, at least early on when you don't yet want to buy Gardens.

That's a good point.

[Warfreak2]

CR's nerf is not insignificant here because it can help your opponent line up Workshop/Throne Room. I prefer the double-Workshop opening, also because it gives more targets for your own Throne Rooms. And, because it's a rush, the value of your Gardens isn't so important compared to winning the split: 5x3VP Gardens beats 3x4VP Gardens. With early turns spent on Stonemason overpays, you aren't gaining Gardens on those turns, your opponent will have a lead on Gardens by then, and should be able to match your Gardens gains after that.