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[ashersky]

Lio/nkirbit/jimmmmm agreed on Eevee...odd.

Lio and nkirbit are top scum reads, btw.

I was on both the mail-mi wagon at the time of his claim, and the chairs wagon. I was on both fairly early. Do you think I bussed both my teammates day1?

I don't think anyone bussed, and lio is most probably scum.

If he is town, though, then someone bussed.  From the wagon, I think you are in the scummiest position.  No way it is one of the late additions, given how it went down.

[nkirbit]

Lio/nkirbit/jimmmmm agreed on Eevee...odd.

Lio and nkirbit are top scum reads, btw.

I was on both the mail-mi wagon at the time of his claim, and the chairs wagon. I was on both fairly early. Do you think I bussed both my teammates day1?

I don't think anyone bussed, and lio is most probably scum.

If he is town, though, then someone bussed.  From the wagon, I think you are in the scummiest position.  No way it is one of the late additions, given how it went down.

Can you actually give me a reason other than vaguely accusing me?

[ashersky]

Lio/nkirbit/jimmmmm agreed on Eevee...odd.

Lio and nkirbit are top scum reads, btw.

I was on both the mail-mi wagon at the time of his claim, and the chairs wagon. I was on both fairly early. Do you think I bussed both my teammates day1?

I don't think anyone bussed, and lio is most probably scum.

If he is town, though, then someone bussed.  From the wagon, I think you are in the scummiest position.  No way it is one of the late additions, given how it went down.

Can you actually give me a reason other than vaguely accusing me?

Wagon position.  POE.  There were seven on wagon.  I am 99-100% sure of the towniness of three people on the wagon.

That leaves 4 to choose from.  I looked at when they got on the wagon.  Your vote was scummiest.

[Galzria]

Actually, I generally agree with Ash. Reads based solely on how chairs went down,  scum to town:

Liopoil/Ash
 
Nkirbit/Voltaire

Yuma/UoS

Eevee

Jimmm

Me


Lio/Ash - not on chairs wagon
Nkirbit/Volt - Volt was on Chairs early, jumped

[ashersky]

Galz, you brought up the possibility of PR claims--you were looking for thoughts.  How do you feel about it?

[liopoil]

Question: what happens in the following scenario: 3 alive, mislynch. now there is one town, one scum alive. scum shoots town, and town puts the hammer housevote on scum. nobody wins?

[nkirbit]

Still not a reason.  Frustrated that I'm apparently seen as one of the scummier people despite pushing for both the mail-mi and chairs wagons day one, and you're still got giving me a reason other than, "your posistion" and "you're all that's left". Maybe I should have pointed out the third scum day1 and I'd be towny

[ashersky]

Actually, I generally agree with Ash. Reads based solely on how chairs went down,  scum to town:

Liopoil/Ash
 
Nkirbit/Voltaire

Yuma/UoS

Eevee

Jimmm

Me


Lio/Ash - not on chairs wagon
Nkirbit/Volt - Volt was on Chairs early, jumped

Looks basically like my list.

As mentioned, I can prove I'm town.  Liopoil can't.  I say we lynch him, then revisit tomorrow, if we're somehow wrong.

[Galzria]

Lio was on neither the mail-mi wagon at the time he claimed, not chairs

Eevee was not on mail mi, was on chairs, but he was the alternative lynch so I don't think that clears him at all

Top two spy reads. I couldn't vote for Lio lay night, so I proposed voting for eevee. Both Lio and jimm followed as well

Regarding Eevee - I'm sorry, but it's HIGHLY unlikely that scum back themselves into a corner d1 such that the lynch options are scum vs scum. Especially when there are other names still being floated around.

Robz was town and wasn't here to lynch Chairs. That means if no busing occurred (possible, certainly), we needed 7 of 8 available town votes. It would have been massively easy for scum to turn our conversation to at least a scum/town choice instead of scum/scum. The odds that Eevee is scum are INCREDIBLY slim.

[ashersky]

Still not a reason.  Frustrated that I'm apparently seen as one of the scummier people despite pushing for both the mail-mi and chairs wagons day one, and you're still got giving me a reason other than, "your posistion" and "you're all that's left". Maybe I should have pointed out the third scum day1 and I'd be towny

You are being awfully over defensive given no votes, early in the day, and I'm pushing a lynch of someone else.

Why so freaked out?  I didn't even call you scummy.  I think your vote timing makes you suspicious.  You can be mega-towny and still be mafia, you know.

Bonus scum points for overreacting.

[liopoil]

I say we slow down, wait for me (and others probably) to actually read this thread, and don't screw this up. I come back from V/LA tommorow afternoon.

[nkirbit]

Because you won't give me a reason that isn't show vague

[nkirbit]

Super vague

[ashersky]

I say we slow down, wait for me (and others probably) to actually read this thread, and don't screw this up. I come back from V/LA tommorow afternoon.

Translation: "wait don't lynch me yet I need to stall to find a way to survive!"

[ashersky]

Because you won't give me a reason that isn't show vague

My reasons are very specific.  Vague is "he feels scummy" or "I expect town!nkirbit to react differently."  "Position on scum lynch wagon" is as specific as it gets.

[liopoil]

People, I don't know if you're exaggerating or not, but when you say "I'm 99% sure on this" then you should be correct 99% of the time. and when you say "the odds are incredibly slim"  then it should only occur extrememly rarely. people eat their hat way too much.

[Galzria]

People, I don't know if you're exaggerating or not, but when you say "I'm 99% sure on this" then you should be correct 99% of the time. and when you say "the odds are incredibly slim"  then it should only occur extrememly rarely. people eat their hat way too much.

The odds Eevee is scum are incredibly slim.

[liopoil]

Ash: I'm fairly sure I'm getting lynched today, no qualms about that. but "if we're wrong we'll come back to it tommorow" is the worst plan possible, and I also want to leave you all some actually content for when I flip town.

[nkirbit]

Because you won't give me a reason that isn't show vague

My reasons are very specific.  Vague is "he feels scummy" or "I expect town!nkirbit to react differently."  "Position on scum lynch wagon" is as specific as it gets.

Okay. You have reasons you won't explain though

[Galzria]

Here's the thing:

There are 8 of out there to throw your voice around right now. Only 1 is intentionally trying to mislead. As such, I'm absolutely willing to lay everything on the table and listen to everybody's thoughts. Much more good is likely to come than bad.

Like the possibility of claiming. Scum can only claim VT at this point. So we have (potentially) 3 IC's in 9. But I would like to optimize how we use them. If I'm stuck following the Doctor while he heals me, we're essentially only VT's from here on out.

Maybe we have the Vote Fixer claim, and then I follow him while the Doctor stays hidden?

Of course my biggest fear is losing the Doctor silently in the night. Although I know he's one of 6 players, so if I blindly target in that pool maybe I'll find him.

I don't know. I'm open to many, many suggestions.

[ashersky]

Because you won't give me a reason that isn't show vague

My reasons are very specific.  Vague is "he feels scummy" or "I expect town!nkirbit to react differently."  "Position on scum lynch wagon" is as specific as it gets.

Okay. You have reasons you won't explain though

What reasons are those?

[nkirbit]

I don't know

[nkirbit]

I don't know why my wagon position was scummy. Can you explain why? 

[ashersky]

Here's the thing:

There are 8 of out there to throw your voice around right now. Only 1 is intentionally trying to mislead. As such, I'm absolutely willing to lay everything on the table and listen to everybody's thoughts. Much more good is likely to come than bad.

Like the possibility of claiming. Scum can only claim VT at this point. So we have (potentially) 3 IC's in 9. But I would like to optimize how we use them. If I'm stuck following the Doctor while he heals me, we're essentially only VT's from here on out.

Maybe we have the Vote Fixer claim, and then I follow him while the Doctor stays hidden?

Of course my biggest fear is losing the Doctor silently in the night. Although I know he's one of 6 players, so if I blindly target in that pool maybe I'll find him.

I don't know. I'm open to many, many suggestions.

I think the possibility that PRs claim and then you wifom choose who to target is good.  Did you target doc?  Did you not?  Stuff like that.

[nkirbit]

I don't think doc should claim