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[Robz888]

A Goko player with the username "btard" has selected as his/her profile image the naked torso of a woman.

This should probably be prevented by the powers that be.

[LastFootnote]

A Goko player with the username "btard" has selected as his/her profile image the naked torso of a woman.

This should probably be prevented by the powers that be.

Um, isn't it the extension that allows profile images? Not Goko?

[michaeljb]

This isn't really Goko's fault; the custom avatars are part of the extension. With the Chrome or Safari versions linked in my signature (or the latest Version for Firefox on my GitHub), you can blacklist players so you don't need see then in the lobbies or games they're part of.

[Robz888]

A Goko player with the username "btard" has selected as his/her profile image the naked torso of a woman.

This should probably be prevented by the powers that be.

Um, isn't it the extension that allows profile images? Not Goko?

I don't understand technology, so whatever you just said, that's nice.

[Robz888]

This isn't really Goko's fault; the custom avatars are part of the extension. With the Chrome or Safari versions linked in my signature (or the latest Version for Firefox on my GitHub), you can blacklist players so you don't need see then in the lobbies or games they're part of.

Well, okay. But, I'm just going to guess here, Goko is going to get annoyed if your extension lets people make pornographic images as their profiles. Even if there is some extension method of solving it.

Or do only the people with the extension see custom images at all?

Again, I am a toddler with respect to these tech questions.

(Also, I am not offended by the images--I just expect other people to be, and for Goko to sensibly not want that.)

[SirPeebles]

Well, somehow Robz is being sent the pornographic information, even if he needs an extension installed to view it.

[Robz888]

Well, somehow Robz is being sent the pornographic information, even if he needs an extension installed to view it.

I am confused. I am pretty sure everyone with the extension can see it. I don't know if everyone everyone can see it. Either way, I doubt Goko will like it, and I don't blame them. Am I way off base here?

[SirPeebles]

I don't know if you need the extension to see it.  I have the extension installed also.

[DStu]

Of course you need the extension to see custom imgages, everything else would be a massive design and security flaw on goko's side.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Of course you need the extension to view it.  Someone else's Greasemonkey script can't overwrite Goko's graphics and force them to display on my computer, Greasemonkey is LOCAL TO YOUR MACHINE.  If you don't choose to install the extension to read other people's custom avatars, you can't possibly see them.  It isn't actually changing anything about the Goko program.

In which case, I don't see why Goko should care, it isn't their product, their fault, or their problem.  Especially because you had to go out of your way to find the extension.  I could see them caring if it was in any way a supported product, but it isn't.

[SirPeebles]

Of course you need the extension to see custom imgages, everything else would be a massive design and security flaw on goko's side.

This comment has made me even less sure whether you need the extension or not.

[SirPeebles]

Of course you need the extension to view it.  Someone else's Greasemonkey script can't overwrite Goko's graphics and force them to display on my computer, Greasemonkey is LOCAL TO YOUR MACHINE.  If you don't choose to install the extension to read other people's custom avatars, you can't possibly see them.  It isn't actually changing anything about the Goko program.

In which case, I don't see why Goko should care, it isn't their product, their fault, or their problem.  Especially because you had to go out of your way to find the extension.  I could see them caring if it was in any way a supported product, but it isn't.

I don't understand all of this jargon that you're using.  How could I view someone else's custom avatar unless I am somehow being sent data from that user?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Looks like they're stored at http://dom.retrobox.eu/

The extension uploads your custom image to that site, and reads other people's image.  This has nothing to do with Goko.

[DStu]

Of course you need the extension to see custom imgages, everything else would be a massive design and security flaw on goko's side.

This comment has made me even less sure whether you need the extension or not.

Never would have expected that.


But seriously, how does this avatar thing can work at all?  I have not looked at the code of neither the extensions nor goko, but...
First, standard goko.  You are loading goko.com.  This website tells your browser to look for an image at a specific place also at goko.com.   There is no way for someone not working at goko to change the images that are  stored at this place.*
What can the extension do? It changes your browser.  When goko wants to tell your browser to look for avatar images at goko.com, the extension tells your browser to not listen and to look for the images somewhere else.  That's where the custom avatars are stored.

* Of course, excluding hacking their website.  But if you could do this, the sensible way is not to use it to let other people upload custom avatars, but to insert some code that steals credit card information of the users.

[ftl]

Yeah, the custom avatars are entirely the extension, not goko. Goko still has the limited selection of avatars with the cartoony knights.

[Dsell]

Yeah, the custom avatars are entirely the extension, not goko. Goko still has the limited selection of avatars with the cartoony knights.

Which is, let's be honest, the real atrocity here.

[blueblimp]

In which case, I don't see why Goko should care, it isn't their product, their fault, or their problem.

People may install the extension, be bothered, not realize it's the extension allowing it and not Goko itself, and complain directly to Goko. If Goko feels it's giving them a bad image, then they would care.

[eHalcyon]

Yeah, the custom avatars are entirely the extension, not goko. Goko still has the limited selection of avatars with the cartoony knights.

Which is, let's be honest, the real atrocity here.

If Goko allowed custom avatars, then they would have to commit extra resources to deal with the problem that is the topic of this thread.

[Dsell]

Yeah, the custom avatars are entirely the extension, not goko. Goko still has the limited selection of avatars with the cartoony knights.

Which is, let's be honest, the real atrocity here.

If Goko allowed custom avatars, then they would have to commit extra resources to deal with the problem that is the topic of this thread.

They don't have to allow custom avatars. Literally anything but the knights would be preferable. I mean, it's a totally minor issue that they probably shouldn't spend time on in the grand scheme of things, but I still hate them.

[ashersky]

There are far worse usernames floating around than the avatar you describe and Goko seems okay with it.

[Kirian]

I would dispute the use of the word "pornography" here, especially to non-Americans; the picture being used is no worse than what one would find in a PG-13 movie or on Page 3 of the Sun (or similar pages in most European and S. American newspapers).

That said, a warning at the download page of "Use this at your own risk, some people abuse the pictures and here's how to blacklist them" would be in order.  Is there anywhere to download these other than from the page on this website?

Note:  Vermilion (forum name)/BTard (Goko name) is still a jerk for doing this and using his standard game name.

[theory]

This doesn't really seem like it has to do with Goko at all.  It's not even like they have any control over it.  I would just suggest that the extension author makes clear that people could be using inappropriate images as their avatars.

It would be like if you guys all agreed to use Google Glass, and then all installed a certain app that replaced all the pictures in NYTimes with any random image selected by other users, and then complained to the NYT about it.

[RiemannZetaJones]

A problem might arise if Goko decide that they want to ban the use of an extension that allows custom avatars on top of the officially-sanctioned ones, based on this.

[Robz888]

A problem might arise if Goko decide that they want to ban the use of an extension that allows custom avatars on top of the officially-sanctioned ones, based on this.

Not only might they do this, I assume they will do this.

[LastFootnote]

A problem might arise if Goko decide that they want to ban the use of an extension that allows custom avatars on top of the officially-sanctioned ones, based on this.

Can they actually ban it, though? I'm not sure that's possible.

[eHalcyon]

A problem might arise if Goko decide that they want to ban the use of an extension that allows custom avatars on top of the officially-sanctioned ones, based on this.

Can they actually ban it, though? I'm not sure that's possible.

Maybe.  There was once a really great extension for Tumblr called "missing e" (it hasn't been updated in ages).  At one point, Tumblr decided they didn't like it (without really giving a good reason why).  They were able to detect if users were using it.  Presumably, if they really wanted to, they could detect and then deny service to extension users.

[ftl]

Yeah, they probably could if they set their mind to it. I don't particularly want goko and nutki to get involved in an arms race though! Nobody wins that.

They could take the opposite tack and just say that if you're using the extension, it's your own damn fault that your extension is showing you porn, and if you don't like it, just stop using the extension and you're fine.

Maybe nutki should just put in a blacklist or something so that it never gets to that point.

[Watno]

Well, it would be pretty stupid if they did that, and also I don't think the ToS prohibit you from using any browser you want.

[ftl]

Well, it would be pretty stupid if they did that, and also I don't think the ToS prohibit you from using any browser you want.

It would be pretty stupid if who did what? your post is ambiguous I think

[yed]

Maybe nutki should just put in a blacklist or something so that it never gets to that point.

I think Nutki deleted that avatar once. He also said, that next time he will ban the user for having special avatar. So we should PM him unless he responds to this.

[Awaclus]

Banning the expansion would make them lose players. They won't ban it.

[Watno]

Well, it would be pretty stupid if they did that, and also I don't think the ToS prohibit you from using any browser you want.

It would be pretty stupid if who did what? your post is ambiguous I think

Ban pretty much half their users for using a browser extension.

[LastFootnote]

Well, it would be pretty stupid if they did that, and also I don't think the ToS prohibit you from using any browser you want.

It would be pretty stupid if who did what? your post is ambiguous I think

Ban pretty much half their users for using a browser extension.

Let's be realistic, here. If the number of custom avatars are anything to go by, it's way less than half of their users.

[WanderingWinder]

A problem might arise if Goko decide that they want to ban the use of an extension that allows custom avatars on top of the officially-sanctioned ones, based on this.

Can they actually ban it, though? I'm not sure that's possible.

They can make it a violation of their terms of service, sure. Actually enforcing that, I don't know how doable it is; presumably they could (by banning users who used it), but one doubts they would make they effort. Or really have the conviction.

[Kuildeous]

It would be like if you guys all agreed to use Google Glass, and then all installed a certain app that replaced all the pictures in NYTimes with any random image selected by other users, and then complained to the NYT about it.

[() | (_) ^/]

It would be like if you guys all agreed to use Google Glass, and then all installed a certain app that replaced all the pictures in NYTimes with any random image selected by other users, and then complained to the NYT about it.

They live!

Bet the 13 year olds haven't seen that one.  Get on it, firends!

[D Bo]

I came her to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And I'm all out of bubblegum.

[nicololi]

@ this topic's creator :

OMG a naked women !! Oh no please God no I do not want to see it !!!

LOL 2.0 : Welcome to the internet my prude friend...

[Kirian]

@ this topic's creator :

OMG a naked women !! Oh no please God no I do not want to see it !!!

LOL 2.0 : Welcome to the internet my prude friend...

(Also, I am not offended by the images--I just expect other people to be, and for Goko to sensibly not want that.)

LOL 3.0: Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

[shraeye]

A problem might arise if Goko decide that they want to ban the use of an extension that allows custom avatars on top of the officially-sanctioned ones, based on this.

Can they actually ban it, though? I'm not sure that's possible.

I do think that they can't stop people from using that extension.  However, I haven't read their Terms & Services, but I imagine they CAN decline to give service to somebody who chooses to install that extension.  Different method, same effect.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Honestly though, many of the complaints about Goko seem to amount to laziness in their not bothering to code in things they might reasonably be expected to do.  Do you really think they'd go that far out of their way to make it so you can't play with the script running?  I can't really see it happening.

[Mr. Moneybags]

Using a nude woman as a profile is in bad taste. No doubt it is disrespectful toward women and the extension users who would prefer to play a game of dominion void of soft-core pics.

This is the internet. So disrespect toward women is somewhat inevitable, but objectifying women is alway immoral and in bad taste. My hope is the user with the picture will see these posts and willingly change it, but maybe I'm an idealist.

[Kirian]

Using a nude woman as a profile is in bad taste. No doubt it is disrespectful toward women and the extension users who would prefer to play a game of dominion void of soft-core pics.

This is the internet. So disrespect toward women is somewhat inevitable, but objectifying women is alway immoral and in bad taste. My hope is the user with the picture will see these posts and willingly change it, but maybe I'm an idealist.

He has changed his avatar... to a painting of a nude Bea Arthur.  Whether this is better is left as an exercise for everyone.  I ignore said user on the forums.

[shraeye]

I was reading the ToS.  Here are some things that we've implicitly agreed to by using Goko services.

You agree that you won’t create an account or access the Service if you (i) are under the age of 13, (ii) are a convicted sex offender, (iii) if you have previously been denied by Goko use of or access to the Services or Websites, or (iv) you are located in a country embargoed by the United States or if you are on the U.S. Treasury Department's list of Specially Designated Nationals.

You agree that you will not use your account to engage in any illegal conduct. You are prohibited from posting on or transmitting through the Website or Services any partially or fully nude images of anyone, at any age, of any gender, including sexually suggestive images or words, unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, profane, hateful, racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable material of any kind that infringes the intellectual property rights or is otherwise injurious to third parties, including but not limited to any material that encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability or otherwise violate any applicable local, state, national or international law.

You agree that you will not (i) interfere or attempt to interfere with the proper functioning of the Service or connect to or use the Service in any way not expressly permitted by these Terms of Use; (ii) Use any unauthorized third party software that accesses, intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Service or Websites or that is in transit from or to the Service, including, without limitation, any software that reads areas of RAM or streams of network traffic used by the Service to store information about Goko game characters, game elements rules or game play

etc.

So apparently people under 13 shouldn't play Goko games.  That seems odd.  The last paragraph might even give Goko grounds to disallow their users from using the script extension at all.  If not at all, then at least if it is being used to "transmit partially or fully nude images".

[Voltaire]

So apparently people under 13 shouldn't play Goko games.

I think that's standard internet legalese. I could be wrong.

[WanderingWinder]

I  think that the last paragraph probably pretty clearly prohibits the extension, if they decide to actually enforce it...

[Watno]

It also forbids browsers I think.

[shraeye]

It also forbids browsers I think.

I assume that browsers fall into the "authorized third-party" category.  Otherwise I'm going to get back to figuring out how smoke signals can access the internet.

[ftl]

The "unauthorized" phrasing allows Goko to set whatever they like as the limits depending on whether they "authorize" it or not. At the moment they definitely know about the extension and they haven't told anyone to take it down, so I suppose it's authorized for now. But if they change their mind, it'll be unauthorized and against the rules.

[markusin]

I imagine that the Goko staff has other things to do than pursue people who are using some third party browser extension. I'd actually be impressed if they did. That's the kind of vitality Goko needs to give online Dominion the glory it deserves.

[Mic Qsenoch]

I imagine that the Goko staff has other things to do than pursue people who are using some third party browser extension. I'd actually be impressed if they did. That's the kind of vitality Goko needs to give online Dominion the glory it deserves.

It sure would be impressive to further alienate their user base.

[Kirian]

I imagine that the Goko staff has other things to do than pursue people who are using some third party browser extension. I'd actually be impressed if they did. That's the kind of vitality Goko needs to give online Dominion the glory it deserves.

It sure would be impressive to further alienate their user base.

I agree with both of these statements.  It would be really impressive if they would do it... and it would suddenly drop their player base by a lot.  Pretty much instantly.

[markusin]

I imagine that the Goko staff has other things to do than pursue people who are using some third party browser extension. I'd actually be impressed if they did. That's the kind of vitality Goko needs to give online Dominion the glory it deserves.

It sure would be impressive to further alienate their user base.

I agree with both of these statements.  It would be really impressive if they would do it... and it would suddenly drop their player base by a lot.  Pretty much instantly.

The best thing would be for Goko to implement most of the things the extension gives. Like, that kingdom generator for bot games is already so handy.

[Narz]

How do I get this extension?  I like naked women & their regular steampunkish avatars to choose from suck.

[bedlam]

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=8163.0

[Narz]

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=8163.0

Thanks!