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[massenburger]

I expect it will play very differently from envoy.

I started to realize that as I was typing. The non-terminal aspect does make it a very different card from Envoy.

[Witherweaver]

I predict Plaza will be a great combo with Library/Watchtower. Maybe not as great as Fishing Village, but still very good.

Couldn't it be better in some situations?  Like if you're chaining them?  Discard 3 coin, get 3 tokens, draw to 7 cards, discard, draw, etc.  With a couple other supporters you could draw your entire deck and still end up with all the coins in your hand in the end.  For a huge amount of money.

You can only discard 1 Treasure card per play of Plaza.

Oh, I suppose that is the case. 

[Schlippy]

1. Advisor will be the most underestimated <$5 by far for a while. More underestimated than Oracle was, more underestimated that Rats still are, and even more underestimated that JoaT was.

2. Aside from making you able to open with $5 no matter what, Bakers set up rule will have far less impact on the game than people think. On average keeping your coin for later will be more common than using it on the starting turns. (Big exceptions: Wharf, $5 Cursers, Governor, Mint, Minion and Rebuild)

3. Plaza will be in the top 3 Villages

4. Stonemason will be in the top 2 $2 cards

5. Candlestick maker will be in the top 3 $2 cards

6. Merchant Guild will be a Powerhouse $5 ala' Wharf. A card that does exceptionally well in Engines, BM and Slogs.

7. Besides Feodum and BM, Master Piece will mainly shine in TFB engines, and will be compared to Rats because of this.

8. Taxman is actually stronger than Sea Hag as an opening buy.

9. Butcher will be played as a single card strategy similar to Minion on quite a few boards.

[shMerker]

I predict Plaza will be a great combo with Library/Watchtower. Maybe not as great as Fishing Village, but still very good.

Couldn't it be better in some situations?  Like if you're chaining them?  Discard 3 coin, get 3 tokens, draw to 7 cards, discard, draw, etc.  With a couple other supporters you could draw your entire deck and still end up with all the coins in your hand in the end.  For a huge amount of money.

You can only discard 1 Treasure card per play of Plaza.

Oh, I suppose that is the case.

Yeah but if you chain a few together it's easy enough to get your handsize down. The advantage over Fishing Village or Festival is that you get to reduce your handsize while searching for cards. So this plays more like Inn or Hamlet in that regard.

[jonts26]

Soothsayer will be considered a trap card because of the Council Room aspect.

Thanks for keeping it bold.

Sure thing!

I like how me pointing out your joke gets more upvotes than your joke itself.

[Watno]

CC will empty the supply on turn 3.
Goko won't manage to implement Guilds for at least a week.
Stonemason will be only bought for the the overpayment effect.
Crazy stuff will happen with Herald
Baker won't be used much in engines.
A coin token mega turn strategy will be only good very rarely
Soothsayer is awesome for slogs.
Taxman will be rather weak.
Masterpiece will be really awesome for slogs, and maybe decent in Big Money.
Merchant Guild will mostly be ignored.

[jonts26]

CC will empty the supply on turn 3.
Goko won't manage to implement Guilds for at least a week.

This isn't the obvious predictions thread.

[Kirian]

Masterpiece will be really awesome for slogs, and maybe decent in Big Money.[/b]

I think it'll be more than decent in BM.  Your deck is turning green and you hit $6.  Would you rather have a single Gold, or 3 Silvers and a Copper?  I think the latter.

[eHalcyon]

Stonemason -- awesome combo with cost reduction, especially Quarry.

Advisor -- often a trap, as the deck needs to be built around it -- either valuing large hand sizes over quality hands (e.g. with Cellar) or else just having so much good stuff that it doesn't matter what gets discarded.

Merchant Guild -- high potential, but needs a lot of support (cost reduction, lots of good cheap cards to pick up, +action and +cards to play multiple MGs at the same time, Watchtower to trash extra Copper buys).  Thus, also often a trap.

[greatexpectations]

Adviser: A top 10 $4 card.

I think you're in for a rude awakening here. Until your engine is really humming, Advisor is like handing your opponents an invitation to bypass all your best cards each shuffle. In fact, I predict that using a Stonemason to suddenly acquire a bunch of Advisors in the midgame will be a common play.

jonts26 was clearly speculating about a new promo card called adviser and not the card advisor from guilds.

[Axxle]

One of the predictions in the Obvious Predictions thread will be wrong.

[achmed_sender]

One of the predictions in the Obvious Predictions thread will be wrong.

With even more hitting chance: Either Axxle's prediction or at least another prediction will be wrong.

[DG]

You will rarely want exactly one merchant's guild.

[theory]

Adviser: A top 10 $4 card.

I think you're in for a rude awakening here. Until your engine is really humming, Advisor is like handing your opponents an invitation to bypass all your best cards each shuffle. In fact, I predict that using a Stonemason to suddenly acquire a bunch of Advisors in the midgame will be a common play.

jonts26 was clearly speculating about a new promo card called adviser and not the card advisor from guilds.

Míne

$5

If you accidentally bought this thinking it was a Mine, trash your draw deck.  Otherwise, +$2.

(Not strictly worse than Silver ... so long as you are capable of lying about your state of mind.)

[LastFootnote]

Stonemason's overpay ability will be awesome in Alchemy-heavy games.

[eHalcyon]

Stonemason's overpay ability will be awesome in Alchemy-heavy games.

Are you suggesting to overpay by $P?  Is that even allowed?

Edit:, ah, I see that you can...

[shMerker]

Yeah Watno got confirmation from BGG and posted about it in other threads.

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/991269/can-you-overpay-by-s0-or-potion

[Titandrake]

Candlestick Maker will be a power card.

Stonemason is only good because of the overpay, but will be better than Candlestick Maker because of it.

Doctor will be almost but not quite on par with Steward.

Masterpiece won't be worth it unless the kingdom is very weak, or Feodum is out.

Advisor will be a mid-power $4 card. Having +1 Action will make the choice more difficult than for Envoy, but searching through 3 cards counterbalances that.

Herald is fantastic and will primarily be bought for $5 to repeatedly topdeck key cards (like Cursers.)

Plaza will be decent, and is around Worker's Village power level.

Taxman will look like a trap, then turn out to be very strong in niche conditions, and will be strong in those conditions only when many copies are bought. Like Noble Brigand.

Baker is solid, not a power $5 but certainly above average.

Butcher will be played primarily for +2 Coin tokens, the trashing will be used sparingly.

Journeyman-Big Money will be a top-tier BM enabler (almost on par with Courtyard and Jack, below Wharf)

Merchant Guild is only going to be good when it's possible to get multiple copies out, otherwise it's too slow and weak.

Soothsayer will be better than Witch, because unlike all the other Cursers it gets better once the Curses are out.

[SirPeebles]

Soothsayer will be better than Witch, because unlike all the other Cursers it gets better once the Curses are out.

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Nice observation!

[eHalcyon]

Soothsayer will be better than Witch, because unlike all the other Cursers it gets better once the Curses are out.

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Nice observation!

Open Witch.  When Curses run out, Butcher Witch into Soothsayer.

[Kirian]

No one will ever come up with a band name better than "Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem."

[WanderingWinder]

No one will ever come up with a band name better than "Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem."

Salacious Crumb.
Also, Eccentric Flint.

I could go on.

[Axxle]

No one will ever come up with a band name better than "Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem."

Salacious Crumb.
Also, Eccentric Flint.

I could go on.

Cosmic Celestial Chameleon and the Blue Dogs.

[Axxle]

More on topic:

Baker will be bought less often than Treasury.

[StrongRhino]

No one will ever come up with a band name better than "Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem."

Salacious Crumb.
Also, Eccentric Flint.

I could go on.

Celestial Chameleon and the Blue Dogs.