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Preview #2: Doctor
« on: June 04, 2013, 09:10:54 am »
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Quote from: Donald X.


Casimir III's father, Vladislaus the Elbow-High, lived to be 72. During Casimir's long reign, the Black Death hit Europe, and yet the Kingdom of Poland was largely spared. What was their secret? Careful rat management? Good health care? Probably being away from trade routes was a factor, but I like to consider all the angles. We had Rats in the last expansion, so it must be time for a Doctor.

The second main theme of Guilds is overpay. These are cards you can pay extra for to get more out of them. The amount you pay determines how much you get; you don't just get to overpay a certain specific amount. With Doctor, each $1 you overpay lets you look at another card. Overpay by $4 and you will look at the top card, trash it or discard it or put it back, then look at the top card again and make another choice, then a 3rd time, then a 4th time. Get it? If you put the card back you will get it again the next time, so that's not a great option until you are about out of overpays.

Doctor also does something when you play it. You can get rid of something you anticipate not wanting in your next 3 cards. It's exciting enough that you might actually buy one for $3, although you will prefer to buy one for $6 or $10 or something.

Overpay can be fed by coin tokens, just look at that synergy. And your options increase even further. Let's say you have $5 and a coin token, as with yesterday's example. In addition to whatever else, you could get a Doctor and overpay $2, or cash in the coin token and get a Doctor overpaying $3.

Overpay is something that happens when you buy a card. Didn't we have that already in Hinterlands? Well yes, but it doesn't feel especially similar. As the little "+" next to the "3" reminds you, overpay cards don't have a fixed cost (except when you trash them to an Apprentice or something; then Doctor costs $3 no matter what you actually paid). They increase the number of purchase options you have.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2013, 09:15:35 am »
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wow i could even imagine opening with 5 for it and trash 2 estates in turn 1 if you are lucky.

a very interesting card.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2013, 09:16:01 am »
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Oooh, that's an interesting trasher.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2013, 09:17:27 am »
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That can also change your opening, I think?

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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 09:18:21 am »
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the better lookout=) but its terminal so not strictly better.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2013, 09:19:50 am by RTT »
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 09:19:43 am »
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Doctor/Fool's Gold looks decent on a $5/$2.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 09:21:44 am »
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I see synergy with Market Square.  When you have lots of money, either play the Market Squares for the buys, or keep them in your hand and buy an expensive Doctor, and take the whole Gold pile.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2013, 09:22:11 am »
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But I think if you pay $5 for doctor in the first turn, you may not have $2 next turn.

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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2013, 09:24:16 am »
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Using this to manipulate reshuffles or in conjunction with self topdecking like courtyard, mandarin, and develop seems interesting.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2013, 09:25:40 am »
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Oh man, I love this.  It looks fantastic for ditching Copper and the overpay effect is like Mint with a little more flexibility and less weirdness.  Probably a very decent Curse trasher too.  Can't wait to try this one out.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2013, 09:26:28 am »
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Not so hot for trashing Ruins (on play, at least)
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2013, 09:27:17 am »
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Imagine $5 start, buy buy Doctor, trash 2 cards.  Draw remaining 3 in deck, you have 6 cards not in hand and draw 2 of them, getting Doctor, name Copper, trash 3 of them.  At that point, you have 1 card in draw deck, Doctor and 4 in hand.  Say you buy a Silver, that a 7 card hand at the end of turn 2.  Pretty dang strong for fast trashing if you manage a $5 start.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2013, 09:28:00 am »
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Love love LOVE this card. Trashers are the most fun cards anyways. Can't wait to try it.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2013, 09:28:23 am »
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pay 10$ for it and get all the trash out of the next 7 cards. discard the ones you like to keep.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2013, 09:34:00 am »
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With 5/2 and baker on board you may trash all three of your estate at once and get a 5 copper hand next turn.

Anti-synergies with scout if you only want to trash estates, as you cannot trash any card in your hand.
 

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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2013, 09:34:14 am »
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the better lookout=) but its terminal so not strictly better.
Also beside that it's not really better than Lookout.  Lookout has the problem that it's risky and you have to trash, but beside that you have more options.  After the start you don't mind trashing Estates or Coppers, and if there are Curses around you don't mind trashing them either.  Say you have one Estate left in your deck. Do you name it? Or name Copper? Probably Copper, but if you draw Estate (or Curse) you would definitely have prefered the Lookout. With 2Coppers vs 1 Estate it depends...  Of course, if you draw Gold+2xProvince, you prefer Doctor over Lookout, but that's still not a scenario where the Doctor gives you much beside stealing the action.

So as with probably all "on gain" cards, this one's play value is largely overpriced, and the value comes from the gain-effect.  So here you have to pay extra, but potential on-gain trashing is strong enough that it will get bought, just like you buy Mint just for the "trash 5 Coppers on gain".
« Last Edit: June 04, 2013, 09:35:36 am by DStu »
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2013, 09:37:53 am »
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In before celestial chameleon trashes the entire supply on turn 3
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2013, 09:41:10 am »
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A thing I don't understand : Do you overpay BEFORE buying the card ? Or overpay $1, apply the effect, then overpay another $1, etc... ?
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2013, 09:41:56 am »
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A thing I don't understand : Do you overpay BEFORE buying the card ? Or overpay $1, apply the effect, then overpay another $1, etc... ?
You pay before, because that is how it should work, also Donald said this on BGG.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2013, 09:42:01 am »
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Seems like an interesting alternative to Watchtower in a Goons engine.  If you draw your whole deck, then you can buy a dozen Coppers, then overpay on a Doctor to clear them out.  Just trash your Doctor next turn to keep your engine flowing.

Alternatively, secret chamber/vault/store room could dump your junk after you draw your deck, setting them up for a Doctoring.  Or even just heavy sifting through Warehouse or Hunting Party could set this up.
« Last Edit: June 04, 2013, 09:44:28 am by SirPeebles »
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2013, 09:44:02 am »
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It seems to combo well with navigator ! And probably scout (seriously !)
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2013, 09:47:16 am »
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pay 10$ for it and get all the trash out of the next 7 cards. discard the ones you like to keep.

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Overpay by $4 and you will look at the top card, trash it or discard it or put it back, then look at the top card again and make another choice, then a 3rd time, then a 4th time. Get it?

It says that you look at the top card and then choose, and then repeat it per extra coin, so if you hit a card you want to keep, like a Gold, then it won't trash anything. Its a little disappointing, but still a good card.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2013, 09:47:45 am »
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What's the name a card part for? Trash the match between what you name and what you reveal? Otherwise super risky (e.g. reveal two colonies and an estate, trash the colonies).
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2013, 09:50:45 am »
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What's the name a card part for? Trash the match between what you name and what you reveal? Otherwise super risky (e.g. reveal two colonies and an estate, trash the colonies).

Yeah.  Also, On play, you can't trash Copper, Estates, and Curses all in one go.
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Re: Preview #2: Doctor
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2013, 09:54:39 am »
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I guess we'll need a ruling on cost reducers and overbuying at some stage.

This again looks like a high skill card. You can start to do some clever stuff if you have good awareness of your draw deck.
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