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[yuma]

mcmc and lio... I see you are here. What do the two of you have to say?

[liopoil]

hi. catching up.

[mcmcsalot]

I believe volt, it makes much more sense. Claiming cop with a town result on someone lots of people have a town read on is silly ESPECIALLY when we had no nk. The chance of robz dying was low, he could have won the game for town by waiting to claim and making multiple Ic's so yea I think he scum.

[Robz888]

Responses to yuma. Don't want to quote the whole thing.

Yuma asks why I said it did not reflect well on either of them. It didn't. It didn't reflect well on SB, either. And as you can see, SB was drawing me into an argument with him that I really didn't want to have, knowing he was town, but we were having it, because, well, you know. But the fact that I always accused mcmc of being scummy, not SB, and in fact strained myself to supply you with reasons why I thought mcmc was scummy, but not SB, should be good evidence of my claim. But as you say, I could have planned that all along.

Yuma also asks why I didn't investigate him. I thought he would be night killed. It's more important to investigate someone who is actually going to survive, and I thought SB certainly would. A result on a dead player is the most useless thing ever.

[yuma]

Responses to yuma. Don't want to quote the whole thing.

Yuma asks why I said it did not reflect well on either of them. It didn't. It didn't reflect well on SB, either. And as you can see, SB was drawing me into an argument with him that I really didn't want to have, knowing he was town, but we were having it, because, well, you know. But the fact that I always accused mcmc of being scummy, not SB, and in fact strained myself to supply you with reasons why I thought mcmc was scummy, but not SB, should be good evidence of my claim. But as you say, I could have planned that all along.

Yuma also asks why I didn't investigate him. I thought he would be night killed. It's more important to investigate someone who is actually going to survive, and I thought SB certainly would. A result on a dead player is the most useless thing ever.

Good points. Thanks for responding. I hadn't thought of the surviving part. That is true that surviving is essential for a result to be useful... But... You only think I am going to be night killed if you think (know) I am town... Because if you think there is a chance I am mafia... I am certainly not going to NK myself!

[Robz888]

Responses to yuma. Don't want to quote the whole thing.

Yuma asks why I said it did not reflect well on either of them. It didn't. It didn't reflect well on SB, either. And as you can see, SB was drawing me into an argument with him that I really didn't want to have, knowing he was town, but we were having it, because, well, you know. But the fact that I always accused mcmc of being scummy, not SB, and in fact strained myself to supply you with reasons why I thought mcmc was scummy, but not SB, should be good evidence of my claim. But as you say, I could have planned that all along.

Yuma also asks why I didn't investigate him. I thought he would be night killed. It's more important to investigate someone who is actually going to survive, and I thought SB certainly would. A result on a dead player is the most useless thing ever.

Good points. Thanks for responding. I hadn't thought of the surviving part. That is true that surviving is essential for a result to be useful... But... You only think I am going to be night killed if you think (know) I am town... Because if you think there is a chance I am mafia... I am certainly not going to NK myself!

Certainly. But you'll note that I never really had much of a scum read on you on Day 1. And this is what I meant by the thing I said that Volt thought was a scumtell... if you survive Day 1, and there is some other kill, meaning the scum actually killed someone other than you, not that they tried to kill you and were blocked, it's good evidence you may be mafia, I think. So I can learn that about you without even investigating you. I can just wait and see what happens.

[Robz888]

^that Volt thought was a softclaim, I mean.****

[liopoil]

okay, caught up. I think that voltaire made a move that scum might make, and so did robz. I know if robz is town and I'm scum I would very likely counterclaim, especially if nobody suspects me, like voltaire. If robz888 is a cop then we had follow-the-cop set up and would have at least 2 investigation results to get, very hard for scum to win. By fakeclaiming voltaire sends the game to a 3 player lylo where scum has an advantage. So I disagree that this is something scum wouldn't do. However, fakeclaiming cop is also something scum would do, so that kinda cancells out.

[liopoil]

I believe volt, it makes much more sense. Claiming cop with a town result on someone lots of people have a town read on is silly ESPECIALLY when we had no nk. The chance of robz dying was low, he could have won the game for town by waiting to claim and making multiple Ic's so yea I think he scum.

No, claiming cop is absolutely correct to claim in this situation. 100%.

[Eevee]

Should we try to coordinate our pr's? The doc targets Voltaire and Voltaire makes a judgement call?

It's just vital to have them target different players and not have volt block the doc.. so should someone actually claim vt and volunteer to be jailkept?

[liopoil]

Should we try to coordinate our pr's? The doc targets Voltaire and Voltaire makes a judgement call?

It's just vital to have them target different players and not have volt block the doc.. so should someone actually claim vt and volunteer to be jailkept?

NO!!

[mail-mi]

Vote: Robz

For tomorrow: IF robz flips cop, is there any possible situation where volt isn't scum?

[liopoil]

For tomorrow: IF robz flips cop, is there any possible situation where volt isn't scum?

NO!!

that's L-1 peeps!

[liopoil]

oh wait, if voltaire is town, the there must have been a doc who blocked the kill, right?

the situation where voltaire is town is actually unlikely. Despite finding robz scummier than volt in general, his claim makes more sense. I am unsure which I weight higher.

[mail-mi]

For tomorrow: IF robz flips cop, is there any possible situation where volt isn't scum?

NO!!

that's L-1 peeps!

NO!! as in don't ask that, or NO!! as in volt is scum if robz is town?

[mail-mi]

oh wait, if voltaire is town, the there must have been a doc who blocked the kill, right?

the situation where voltaire is town is actually unlikely. Despite finding robz scummier than volt in general, his claim makes more sense. I am unsure which I weight higher.

If volt is town, either Robz made the kill, or there is a doc that blocked. I think the first is probably more likely.

[liopoil]

"NO!!" as in if robz flips town volt must be scum. same vice-versa.

[liopoil]

yeah, actually, it is possible that robz did the kill without being stupid. So that makes me believe voltaire more.

[mcmcsalot]

I believe volt, it makes much more sense. Claiming cop with a town result on someone lots of people have a town read on is silly ESPECIALLY when we had no nk. The chance of robz dying was low, he could have won the game for town by waiting to claim and making multiple Ic's so yea I think he scum.

No, claiming cop is absolutely correct to claim in this situation. 100%.

Okay liopoil we can have this discussion later but really claiming cop on day 2 knowing with a town result is not an auto spot to claim. If robz waited till even tomorrow it's much more helpful. Also robz is L-1, intent to hammer after a few more people weigh in

[liopoil]

claiming cop on day 2 with a town result and no kill is an auto spot to claim in this setup

[mcmcsalot]

claiming cop on day 2 with a town result and no kill is an auto spot to claim in this setup

Meh

[yuma]

Who are we waiting for mcmc?

1. Volt, 2. yuma, 3. mail-mi and 4. chairs are all voting robz

5. lio and 6. eevee are not voting

7. Robz is voting robz

8. mcmc is intent to hammer

I say hammer.

[Eevee]

oh wait, if voltaire is town, the there must have been a doc who blocked the kill, right?

the situation where voltaire is town is actually unlikely. Despite finding robz scummier than volt in general, his claim makes more sense. I am unsure which I weight higher.

If volt is town, either Robz made the kill, or there is a doc that blocked. I think the first is probably more likely.

Robz wouldn't (well, shouldn't..) ever claim that if he was the one making the kill.

[Eevee]

Who are we waiting for mcmc?

1. Volt, 2. yuma, 3. mail-mi and 4. chairs are all voting robz

5. lio and 6. eevee are not voting

7. Robz is voting robz

8. mcmc is intent to hammer

I say hammer.

I'm totally hammering when everyone has said their piece and we have planned our power role actions enough. Has all the robz voters posted after the claim?

[liopoil]

oh wait, if voltaire is town, the there must have been a doc who blocked the kill, right?

the situation where voltaire is town is actually unlikely. Despite finding robz scummier than volt in general, his claim makes more sense. I am unsure which I weight higher.

If volt is town, either Robz made the kill, or there is a doc that blocked. I think the first is probably more likely.

Robz wouldn't (well, shouldn't..) ever claim that if he was the one making the kill.

well, for all he knew, the kill was just doctored.