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5/2 Options Against Familiar
« on: May 20, 2013, 04:31:08 pm »
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http://dom.retrobox.eu/?/20130520/log.517d03b5e4b0b903ada05b62.1369081455304.txt

Smugglers, Tunnel, Familiar, Island, Noble Brigand, Laboratory, Margrave, Market, Saboteur, Wharf, Copper, Silver, Gold, Estate, Duchy, Province, Curse, Potion

I got really lucky, both in the Curse split somehow, and the end-game, where I miraculously back-to-back Province despite having very little economy.

But that's not why I am posting this! I get the dreaded 5/2 vs. Familiar start, and I see multiple avenues to pursue:

1) Open Wharf -- Wharf will help me cycle faster, so that I can get into the Familiar game rather quickly. (I know ignoring Familiar entirely is possible with Wharf, but I think Labs will help the Familiar player too much, and negate this approach).

2) Open Margrave -- I can start hurting him immediately, and the +3 cards will also speed up my own pursuit of Potion and then Familiar.

3) Open Saboteur -- With a little luck, I can actually cripple his Potion or Familiars, and turn thie 5/2 to my advantage.

4) Open Laboratory -- Once I do have Familiars, I'm actually going to prefer Lab to Wharf, of course. Should I start now?

I opt for Wharf, but I am not convinced it was the right play. As I said, I do think I won the game off of absurd luck. What do you think?
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Re: 5/2 Options Against Familiar
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2013, 05:42:43 pm »
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I recently witnessed the effectiveness of a Saboteur opening against me. When you're buying 2-3 cards per shuffle, losing one of them is a big deal. In the early game, Saboteur never hits something unimportant, and when it hits, your compensation is you may gain a Copper or a Curse.
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Re: 5/2 Options Against Familiar
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2013, 05:55:39 pm »
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I was once on the wrong side of a 5/2 opening with Saboteur. Eventually ended up with a four card deck (bishop for VP, forager for a buy, some card within the $2-3 range, and a copper. Trash the copper with forager, trash the other card with bishop, buy a card and copper, rinse and repeat.)
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Re: 5/2 Options Against Familiar
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2013, 06:08:06 pm »
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Wharf then familiar seems right.
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Re: 5/2 Options Against Familiar
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2013, 06:21:42 pm »
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I was once on the wrong side of a 5/2 opening with Saboteur. Eventually ended up with a four card deck (bishop for VP, forager for a buy, some card within the $2-3 range, and a copper. Trash the copper with forager, trash the other card with bishop, buy a card and copper, rinse and repeat.)

That was an excellent opportunity for what's known as the 'Golden Deck'!

1: Trash the other card with Forager, don't play Bishop, buy 2 Coppers.
2: Trash Forager with Bishop, play 3 Coppers, buy Silver.
3: Trash Copper with Bishop, play Silver + 2 Coppers, buy Silver.
4: Trash Copper with Bishop, play 2 Silvers + Copper, buy Gold.
5: Trash Copper with Bishop, play Gold + 2 Silvers, buy Gold.
6: Trash Silver with Bishop, play 2 Golds + Silver, buy Province.
7: Trash Province with Bishop, play 2 Golds + Silver, buy Province.
8+: Repeat step 7 until all Provinces are gone.
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