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[soulnet]

Did you skim the thread, or is this a really silly way of strawmanning?

I was arguing that it is good that it produces SOME amount of VP, even if its zero, because some card at some point (like the one I stated) may assume each Victory card produces some amount of VP. Then went on to say the same about Treasures producing some amount of coin.

Why would you assume the worst?

[popsofctown]

I totally misunderstood your post, I thought you were suggesting that as an OE ability, not as a maybe-in-guilds ability. 

I put my preferred guess first, I don't think assuming you misunderstood the thread is assuming the worst anymore than assuming I misunderstood the thread, which is what happened.

[ashersky]

I play platinum, then Amalgam, then 7 coppers.

Great for you, that's not easy to achieve.

But still, the amalgam doesn't automatically have to be the lowest valued card. It just depends on the kingdom order.

Not the genus?

[qmech]

I play platinum, then Amalgam, then 7 coppers.

Great for you, that's not easy to achieve.

But still, the amalgam doesn't automatically have to be the lowest valued card. It just depends on the kingdom order.

Not the genus?

At first I thought this was a topology joke, but now I donut think it is.

[mail-mi]

I play platinum, then Amalgam, then 7 coppers.

Great for you, that's not easy to achieve.

But still, the amalgam doesn't automatically have to be the lowest valued card. It just depends on the kingdom order.

Not the genus?

More the phylum, actually.

[Witherweaver]

I play platinum, then Amalgam, then 7 coppers.

Great for you, that's not easy to achieve.

But still, the amalgam doesn't automatically have to be the lowest valued card. It just depends on the kingdom order.

Not the genus?

At first I thought this was a topology joke, but now I donut think it is.

[Witherweaver]

Do you have a problem with the number zero? You know, it has feelings, too.

Well, it's not the loneliest number, that would be 1. So what is zero?
0 implies nothingness, total absence of anything.
How many apples are 0 apples? No apples!

How can something that isn't there still have feelings?

Zero may connote those things (to you), but it doesn't imply them.  Zero is certainly a real number; it exists, it has properties, it can be acted upon by many functions, etc.  It definitely is not the absence of something, but rather a physical existent in and of itself, with special properties (e.g., it's the only real number that satisfies xy=x for every real number y; it also satisfies x+y = y for every real number y).

[Witherweaver]

I guess at some you could have some card saying things like "1 VP per each other victory card giving less than 3 VP in your deck"

I think an appropriate name for this card would be "Paradox". Well, it doesn't actually lead to paradoxes, but then you must accept that different copies of the same card can have different VP values.

For example, if your only victory cards are 8 Paradoxes, then it is consistent to have 3 of them being worth 2 VP and the rest worth 3 VP. But that's still weird.

But to try to get the topic back on topic (which is probably hopeless): I like the fact that OE is a victory card. Then the number of victory cards in your starting deck is reduced from 3 to "just" 1 instead of 0, which matters for quite a few cards.

I had this problem at first, but then I assumed "other" meant other types of victory cards, not other cards than the one you're reading.  So each Paradox is worth N victory points, where N is the number of non-Paradox victory cards that are worth less than 3 vp.  They don't depend on each other.

It does create an interesting scenario where buying an estate or a duchy (or any other card) could increase the value of your Silk Roads, Fairgrounds, Gardens, Feodum and decrease the value of your Paradoxes, resulting in an overall decrease in victory points.

[soulnet]

I had this problem at first, but then I assumed "other" meant other types of victory cards, not other cards than the one you're reading.  So each Paradox is worth N victory points, where N is the number of non-Paradox victory cards that are worth less than 3 vp.  They don't depend on each other.

It does create an interesting scenario where buying an estate or a duchy (or any other card) could increase the value of your Silk Roads, Fairgrounds, Gardens, Feodum and decrease the value of your Paradoxes, resulting in an overall decrease in victory points.

Yes, this was the intent, the text was not the best (neither the idea, was just there to illustrate the point). Thanks for taking the time to clarify.