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[chairs]

Innovation's a hell of a beast to full reread, but I will also try to put in my two pence prior to Friday.  I hadn't thought about the multiple scum angle of fakeclaims, so I'll defer to the (good) argument there and also unsupport massclaiming.

[xeiron]

I still am anti-massclaiming.

EVEN if we catch scum today, we still have a few more nights to go through. We've let scum know exactly who to kill, exactly who they need to fear, exactly who's harmless to them. We've directed scum's night kills to minimize risk, and that's best case scenario, mind you. We don't know scum's powers, but it could turn out this could be very, very, very beneficial to them.

FoS to everyone who said "Yeah, if Xeiron goes first, we'll claim everything. Major major FoS. Scum WANTS this information out there. Know everyone's item? Heck yeah, that sounds great!

The worst part, by far, is claiming used powers. The OP warned us exactly against this!! If I say I got item X and Y N0, and used power A on N1, well, you've claimed a combination, basically! Awesome! Do we want scum to know combinations? I reaaalllly don't think so.

What happens if you have a town player who claims they've received four items, but haven't used any yet? Guess who scum's going to want to kill tonight? If someone has no unused items, which would be pretty easy to determine from the claim, they won't be able to use their items until N3. But someone who has unused items would be a great NK target for scum.

I'd support this plan, if we didn't have to risk probably two more nights. Two more nights is wayyy too much time for scum to capitalize on this plan, even if we do catch scum through it. And I'm not convinced we are.

I think massclaiming is an awful awful awful idea.

I want to catch three scum today, not just one. If we do scum does not get much benefit out of knowing combinations. We can just keep all the items within the town. Even if we only find one scum, I think we will find one or more IC after the massclaim. We can send good items to them.
Great known NK targets = Great doctor targets. I am more worried about a doctor being found and eliminated imediately.

This is how I feel as well; massclaiming can be a good way to get a final scumlynch, when one persons claims don't match with others.  But as long as there are multiple scum, I feel like their claims will end up being more believable because they've had a chance to craft a narrative for their actions in coordination with eachother.  In MeanGirls mafia, Eevee/yuma sealed the win for their team easily because yuma's fakeclaim backed up eevee's fakeclaim, and made town inherently believe them more.

Yes, we have to be aware that scum can back each other up with fakeclaims, That is part of the puzzle we have to solve, and I think we can see through such fakeclaims.  Eevee/yuma did win that game, but it was not a foolproof plan and several people in the speccy-thread saw through their claim.

[xeiron]

Right now I have a theory of TA, Theorel and Ahoppy as a scumteam

I have some specific questions a massclaim would answer that would strengthen or weaken my theory.
Since everyone opose massclaims I will ask them directly instead.

Shraeye, are you refering to Chairs in the quote above?
Eevee, are you Alexander Graham Bell?
Chairs, did you start with paper in your inventory.

I do not know the answers to the above questions, but if the answers is yes, yes and no my theory is probably correct, and I am closing in on making a scumteam-case. If not I need to reconsider.

I would also like everyone to watch their votes to stop quick-lynches from happening.

[Eevee]

No, sorry.

[Twistedarcher]

You are doing so much rolefishing, Xeiron

[xeiron]

Some claiming from me as I think it is claiming time and to show you that I am not asking others to claim to work on my own claim.
I will leave out some parts that affects other players.

Flavour name. Harry Soref.
I am a one-shot cop. I used this power on eevee N0. He showed town.
I have sent Eevee two items, one N0 and one N1.

I got no items N0, but I did get paper and a cooling unit N1. I got no pen, and I no longer thinks a pen exists.

[nkirbit]

Why did you send Eevee an item N0 before you knew he was town?

[nkirbit]

Furthermore, why did you claim that you couldn't be NKed during day1?  Nothing you have said indicates why this would be the case.  Were you lying?

[xeiron]

Why did you send Eevee an item N0 before you knew he was town?

Because one of the items is useless without the other, and because I figured I could have him lynched D1 with a positive cop result.

[xeiron]

Furthermore, why did you claim that you couldn't be NKed during day1?  Nothing you have said indicates why this would be the case.  Were you lying?

I said "No problem. I will or have already taken care of this." and yes that was a gambit. I figured that either, I would be so towny at the end of the day that I would be a obvious doctor/watcher target or that I would be so scummy that town would keep me alive trying to lynch my the next day, or that scum wouldn't take the chance on killing me because of my claim. I never had any powers to help me. That said scum probably wont kill me tonight either, as that will make Eevee IC.

[xeiron]

No, sorry.

That is a problem as it make Shraeye more likely to be scum.
I am not sure about this, but I think Shraeye can doublevote .
If he can and is scum, scum controls 4 of the 5 needed votes. That means one town on town vote and scum can quicklynch for the win.
According to the votecount there has to be at least one town on town vote right now.

Can everyone please unvote immediately?

[Eevee]

unvote

[Twistedarcher]

No, sorry.

That is a problem as it make Shraeye more likely to be scum.
I am not sure about this, but I think Shraeye can doublevote .
If he can and is scum, scum controls 4 of the 5 needed votes. That means one town on town vote and scum can quicklynch for the win.
According to the votecount there has to be at least one town on town vote right now.

Can everyone please unvote immediately?

If you are correct, then Shraeye could have voted Ahoppy for the win, assuming Shraeye is scum and Ahoppy is town.

So, if you are correct, we can assume that this isn't true.

But, the more important question, how could you possiblyyyyyyyy know this.

You are a 1-shot cop. You were sent no items N0, so you couldn't have used any item powers yet, correct?

This isn't adding up.

[xeiron]

In case you were wondering where I got this from.

Paper makes one of the following powers.

1-shot Doublevoter
1-shot Mailman
1-shot Tracker

You have to guess what it does after you have guessed that paper can be used alone.

I guessed incorectly 1-shot Mailman.

1-shot Doublevoter would make sense with Shraeyes "I think this power is town" claim.
It also makes with Shraeyes reads on chairs.

Chairs, can you claim if you sent paper to someone N0?

[xeiron]

If you are correct, then Shraeye could have voted Ahoppy for the win, assuming Shraeye is scum and Ahoppy is town.

So, if you are correct, we can assume that this isn't true.

I thought the same.

[chairs]

unvote

[chairs]

Right now I have a theory of TA, Theorel and Ahoppy as a scumteam

I have some specific questions a massclaim would answer that would strengthen or weaken my theory.
Since everyone opose massclaims I will ask them directly instead.

Shraeye, are you refering to Chairs in the quote above?
Eevee, are you Alexander Graham Bell?
Chairs, did you start with paper in your inventory.

I do not know the answers to the above questions, but if the answers is yes, yes and no my theory is probably correct, and I am closing in on making a scumteam-case. If not I need to reconsider.

I would also like everyone to watch their votes to stop quick-lynches from happening.

Yes

Also,

In case you were wondering where I got this from.

Paper makes one of the following powers.

1-shot Doublevoter
1-shot Mailman
1-shot Tracker

You have to guess what it does after you have guessed that paper can be used alone.

I guessed incorectly 1-shot Mailman.

1-shot Doublevoter would make sense with Shraeyes "I think this power is town" claim.
It also makes with Shraeyes reads on chairs.

Chairs, can you claim if you sent paper to someone N0?

I sent paper to Shraeye N0

[Twistedarcher]

If you are correct, then Shraeye could have voted Ahoppy for the win, assuming Shraeye is scum and Ahoppy is town.

So, if you are correct, we can assume that this isn't true.

I thought the same.

So...they're both scum?

If Chairs has paper, he should possibly be able to confirm what paper does, right? Chairs, can you confirm if it's doublevoter or tracker?

I hate that we're doing this, but it's out there, so might as well back the best of it and sort this out.

[Twistedarcher]

Wait no don't confirm that

[Twistedarcher]

Sorry, wasn't sure if it's better to confirm, but I want Chairs to see that before he posts. Is it better for Chairs to post exactly what Paper does, if he knows it?

[xeiron]

Sorry, wasn't sure if it's better to confirm, but I want Chairs to see that before he posts. Is it better for Chairs to post exactly what Paper does, if he knows it?

He don't know, because he does not have it in the inventory.
If he knew he wouldn't go claiming paper so early.

[Twistedarcher]

Sorry, wasn't sure if it's better to confirm, but I want Chairs to see that before he posts. Is it better for Chairs to post exactly what Paper does, if he knows it?

He don't know, because he does not have it in the inventory.
If he knew he wouldn't go claiming paper so early.

He just said that he did in fact start with it in his inventory

[xeiron]

Sorry, wasn't sure if it's better to confirm, but I want Chairs to see that before he posts. Is it better for Chairs to post exactly what Paper does, if he knows it?

He don't know, because he does not have it in the inventory.
If he knew he wouldn't go claiming paper so early.

He just said that he did in fact start with it in his inventory

Oh, read too fast there.

[Twistedarcher]

You were expecting yes, yes, no, and assuming that Shraeye was talking about Chairs, your answers are yes, no, yes. Does this move you away from a TA/Ahoppy/Theorel scum team? Where does it leave you next?

Also, why me, and why Theorel, and why Ahoppy? Your claiming, and item knowledge, seems to be related to Chairs/Shraeye. Yet your initial scumteam was neither of these people.

I just don't follow what you're doing here, at all.

[xeiron]

Sorry, wasn't sure if it's better to confirm, but I want Chairs to see that before he posts. Is it better for Chairs to post exactly what Paper does, if he knows it?

Then, yes I think he shoud say so. Doublevoters can be dangerous if we do not know about them.