WHEW. Finally caught up, albeit with some skimming and not terribly in depth reading.
So, at this point I think that we should let xerion run with his plan. What does scum have to benefit from his claim if he is fake-claiming? Scum gets a pen and paper that they can presumably do something with, and there is a no lynch. There are only 2 benefits I see from a no-lynch for scum: Less information available to the town, and one of the scum isn't lynched. So if this is the case, then I would expect this suggestion to come from scum if one of their scum partners were at risk of being lynched. We haven't had someone at risk of being lynched all game, except perhaps spiritbears and well, he's gone. He was the only wagon at the time of Xerions claim. So logically, I'm going to have to take xerion at his word and believe he has a legitmate plan.
HOWEVER: I'm not convinced that we need a no-lynch to make this work. The only thing a no-lynch would secure, is that paper and pen stay in the game so xerion can get a hold of them. So who to lynch...
Through reading further, I'm not as convinced that EFHW's "scumslip" was actually a scumslip. I'll keep it in my mind, but I don't think that should be a reason to lynch.
Now back to ashersky/eevee. They made a pretty killer scumteam in mean girls, but they weren't aware that they were even on the same team D1, so it's hard to compare their D1 interactions as scum there to this game. But, I do know that D2 in mean girls, as soon as ash claimed, eevee was there to say he had no reason to disbelieve ash, and later to congratulate him
I think you timed coning out very well, Ash. Letting the discussion flow and trying to get mcmc lynched without claiming was definitely a good move.
Now here, Eevee and ash are buddying up again a bit. lemme see if I can find some quotes...
Ash is either running another
gambit, being very clumsy as scum or just having a severe case of tunnel vision.
"Hmm, what he is doing is what I'd associate with his town meta, so he is scum trying to imitate that" is not a reasonable argument, but I don't think we need to have a conversation for everyone to see that.
Why are you reacting under (just my) pressure? It isn't like you are in any danger.
Why would i let you get away with undeserved pressuring? Like certainly this behavior of yours is worth noting in taking a read on you, it's good material to analyze.
That's fine.
But instead of reacting so much to what I'm saying about you, you ought to be saying:
"man, ash really seems focused on me so far this game, and I think undeservedly. We should note that as we watch his interactions. Could definitely seem scummy."
For what it's worth, I think if you are scum this game, you are playing scum badly. You were wicked good in Mean Girls. If I was your partner here, I'd be trying to deflect this conversation elsewhere. Only Ahoppy has done that so far.
here's one I mentioned earlier. Ash is trying to make eevee look townier, saying he is playing scum badly.
and a little later
Oh, there is no scum read. There was a brief temptation to OMGUS you, but ultimately I do think it's just us failing to communicate again. Scum ash tends to be nicer to me!
It's a bit frustrating to have a town read on someone who you think is unreasonably tunneling you, but it is what it is.
Us failing to communicate again. Or maybe you're actually trying to communicate more as scum partners? Yeah, too early to be calling partners, but still. Eevee pointing out that he thinks ash is town. Then earlier, post 442:
First, I appreciate you trying to get me more involved like that! Very protown work.
Second, hmm. I've been reading, and nothing has really stood out for me. Like all of the arguments have seemed like complicated constructing rather than emotionally unleashing without thinking, if that makes any sense.
I got the town read from your early aggressiveness. Raerae I think matches her town behaviour, but I don't have an opinion on if she is like that when scum as well.
Praising ash for his pro-town work. What makes it pro town? There were plenty other people who were under the radar, not just eevee and ash gets praised for bringing eevee back in. "Thanks for the reminder that I need to have more of a presence" perhaps?
Okay this has all the makings of a mislynch!
TA, you found sort of a contradiction in spirit's position. Before diving further to the rabbit hole, do you think it's more likely he just got stubborn with a read and carried away when it got questioned or that he is scum and playing in a very obvious way?
The reason I think this case on spirit is indeed weaksauce is that he has no reason to act like that as mafia. This feels a lot like you got so excited you found something that you aren't seeing what it is you found.
eevee thinks that TA's spiritbears tunnel has the makings of a mislynch. Looking for towncred when spiritbears is mislynched?
Now closer to the present stuff:
We shouldn't force xeiron into claimming anything.
this could be easy towncred
anyway, after this, and knowing that I think we do need a lynch, I feel confident to finally put a vote down
Vote: Eevee