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[nkirbit]

No raerae, it would read, "I believe him but what he's saying has a contradiction, so I think he's mistaken". And I don't think that's unreasonable, especially given that he was in fact mistaken

[raerae]

No raerae, it would read, "I believe him but what he's saying has a contradiction, so I think he's mistaken". And I don't think that's unreasonable, especially given that he was in fact mistaken

That wasn't how I read it.  Still isn't how it looks to me but I'm obviously in the minority there. 

[EFHW]

Agree that no lynch is bad. And what are you advocating claiming, EFHW? I think the claiming we've done today hasn't done anything in terms of helping us find scum.

Advocating is too strong a word, but I want to play with the idea and would like us all to as a town.  Suspend your disbelief for a few moments and imagine this scenario.

The claiming so far is not helpful to town because it's in dribs and drabs, at the same time that it gives scum hints on what to do or not do.  I'm saying what if we turn our usual procedures upside down, stop running scared and take advantage of our majority to get something potentially really helpful.  Now, when there are the most town players, we could put it all out there, make several plans and scum can't stop them all.  AND they risk exposure because they will have to try to participate.  I've never done a massclaim before, so I'm not sensitized to the risks like others might be, but I do know that by distrusting everyone we lose out on what we could gain by cooperating.

[raerae]

Xeiron, if you didn't want to repeat RMM7, why on this lovely blue marble did you claim, again, D1?

[raerae]

TA, I clearly and loudly posted v/la in this thread.  Read more carefully.  I don't live here; I just come here to play.

[Twistedarcher]

No raerae, it would read, "I believe him but what he's saying has a contradiction, so I think he's mistaken". And I don't think that's unreasonable, especially given that he was in fact mistaken

Correct

[Twistedarcher]

TA, I clearly and loudly posted v/la in this thread.  Read more carefully.  I don't live here; I just come here to play.

It was a joke

[mail-mi]

re: X's plan: I believe that we let him go through with it (aka give him some pen and paper), but we don't no lynch today.
The no lynch inconsistancy with EFHW is weird, and with the other things ash has put together, I think it's enough for a D1 vote: efhw

This is scummy even for mail-mi.

? Explanation? First part or second part? What about it is scummy?

2nd part.  Can you list what you think Ash has put together?

The no lynch inconsistency is what I think is the worst. Your "slip" was minor, if anything, and I kind of agree with ash on what else he's said about you. I think you're the best lynch besides xeiron (I want to see if his plan works)

[EFHW]

re: X's plan: I believe that we let him go through with it (aka give him some pen and paper), but we don't no lynch today.
The no lynch inconsistancy with EFHW is weird, and with the other things ash has put together, I think it's enough for a D1 vote: efhw

This is scummy even for mail-mi.

? Explanation? First part or second part? What about it is scummy?

2nd part.  Can you list what you think Ash has put together?

The no lynch inconsistency is what I think is the worst. Your "slip" was minor, if anything, and I kind of agree with ash on what else he's said about you. I think you're the best lynch besides xeiron (I want to see if his plan works)

Even ash agrees that he misread me about the no lynch.  What else has he said about me that you agree with?

[EFHW]

Want to lynch: xeiron
Would lynch: ahoppy ashersky mail-mi
Would lynch if no lynch was only other option: everyone else
But I really prefer the xerion lynch

nkirbit tell me your take on Ashersky.  He's tunneling me, of course, which is uber-scummy, but is there anything else?

[Eevee]

I won't participate in lynching xeiron. This is RMM7 all over again people.

I am aware his story is crazy, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some holes in it. Townies make mistakes. I don't think he would device a plan like this as scum. I don't.

[EFHW]

re: X's plan: I believe that we let him go through with it (aka give him some pen and paper), but we don't no lynch today.
The no lynch inconsistancy with EFHW is weird, and with the other things ash has put together, I think it's enough for a D1 vote: efhw

This is scummy even for mail-mi.

? Explanation? First part or second part? What about it is scummy?

I think it is OMGUS on EFHW's part.

Has your position on mail-mi changed?  You were voting for him twice today.  You think he is towny now?

[raerae]

I won't participate in lynching xeiron. This is RMM7 all over again people.

I am aware his story is crazy, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some holes in it. Townies make mistakes. I don't think he would device a plan like this as scum. I don't.

Exactly.  The game he didn't want to repeat.  Yet he's making the same "mistakes" banking on that being fresh in our minds. 

[EFHW]

No raerae, it would read, "I believe him but what he's saying has a contradiction, so I think he's mistaken". And I don't think that's unreasonable, especially given that he was in fact mistaken

That wasn't how I read it.  Still isn't how it looks to me but I'm obviously in the minority there.

Why would he say "I believe you but you're not telling the truth?" 

[ashersky]

re: X's plan: I believe that we let him go through with it (aka give him some pen and paper), but we don't no lynch today.
The no lynch inconsistancy with EFHW is weird, and with the other things ash has put together, I think it's enough for a D1 vote: efhw

This is scummy even for mail-mi.

? Explanation? First part or second part? What about it is scummy?

I think it is OMGUS on EFHW's part.

Has your position on mail-mi changed?  You were voting for him twice today.  You think he is towny now?

No, he's still scummy.

[ashersky]

I won't participate in lynching xeiron. This is RMM7 all over again people.

I am aware his story is crazy, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some holes in it. Townies make mistakes. I don't think he would device a plan like this as scum. I don't.

Exactly.  The game he didn't want to repeat.  Yet he's making the same "mistakes" banking on that being fresh in our minds.

Eh, I don't think he planned it that way.

[raerae]

Ash, what's your take on TA?  Just point me in that direction if you've already covered it.

[EFHW]

Ashersky, so far your evidence against me is a "slip" no one else sees as a slip, a misunderstanding re: no lynch you yourself have acknowledged, misattributing to me something raerae said, and my willingness to give xeiron a chance to try his plan tonight (I don't agree with Day 2 no lynch).  Am I missing something?

[Eevee]

I don't think EHFW couldn't be scum. But pretty much same can be said for ash, and his certainty is worrisome..

[nkirbit]

Want to lynch: xeiron
Would lynch: ahoppy ashersky mail-mi
Would lynch if no lynch was only other option: everyone else
But I really prefer the xerion lynch

nkirbit tell me your take on Ashersky.  He's tunneling me, of course, which is uber-scummy, but is there anything else?

Most of all, I'm concerned with his actions towards xeiron. It's not that he disagrees, it that on multiple occasions, I've seen him decline to question a xeiron lynch at all. I'm also concerne with the multiple recent posts saying "see, efhw is scummy here!" Including one post that was actually by raerae. It screams at me that he's starting with a conclusion

[ashersky]

Ash, what's your take on TA?  Just point me in that direction if you've already covered it.

I think he's towny so far D1.  Calm when needed, emotion seemed genuine when it came out.  Good stances on theory/claiming/etc.  Asking lots of questions, gave some reads.  Would not lynch today.

[ashersky]

Ashersky, so far your evidence against me is a "slip" no one else sees as a slip, a misunderstanding re: no lynch you yourself have acknowledged, misattributing to me something raerae said, and my willingness to give xeiron a chance to try his plan tonight (I don't agree with Day 2 no lynch).  Am I missing something?

I think the slip was a slip, even if others don't.  I think you've misrepresented things multiple times.  I think you've shown you have more set up info than the rest of us.  I think your reaction to Xeiron's claim/plan was scummy.

I do think your stance on no lynch is bad and your willingness to go along with X is bad.

I acknowledged that it was possible your no lynch comment, which I saw as contradictory, could have referenced something else.  That could have been your excuse to cover for it, too.  It isn't conclusive evidence, though.

The raerae scummy statement attributed to you I will own up to.  I think it was a scummy misrepresentation of TA's statement; raerae stands behind it.  That's fine.  I found it scummy.

[raerae]

I don't think EHFW couldn't be scum. But pretty much same can be said for ash, and his certainty is worrisome..

Assuming this was a typo and you met "could" but how about you explain that either way.

[ashersky]

Want to lynch: xeiron
Would lynch: ahoppy ashersky mail-mi
Would lynch if no lynch was only other option: everyone else
But I really prefer the xerion lynch

nkirbit tell me your take on Ashersky.  He's tunneling me, of course, which is uber-scummy, but is there anything else?

Most of all, I'm concerned with his actions towards xeiron. It's not that he disagrees, it that on multiple occasions, I've seen him decline to question a xeiron lynch at all. I'm also concerne with the multiple recent posts saying "see, efhw is scummy here!" Including one post that was actually by raerae. It screams at me that he's starting with a conclusion

What actions toward X?

I don't decline to question anything.  I think lynching X is bad.  I've said it previously.  Go re-read me on the last few pages.  I said something like "let's leave him alive and let the WIFOM happen."  I've said (to TA) that I think he's town that made a mistake.  And I'm not voting for him.  Those should all point to how I feel about the X situation.

Why are you so intent on protecting EFHW?  That was what got sb under a lot of scrutiny.

[Eevee]

I don't think EHFW couldn't be scum. But pretty much same can be said for ash, and his certainty is worrisome..

Assuming this was a typo and you met "could" but how about you explain that either way.

Double negatives, how do they work.

Well, I have bit of a reputation to be against day 1 lynches. I like to think I've been correct with a good record too. In this game, I take that stance against the xeiron lynch - I will actively try to make it not happen.

I don't feel that way about EHFW. Ashersky is pushing it with too much certainty and it worries me, but EHFW answers are not convincing to me. I always try to think "could he be like that under pressure as scum", and I think EHFW could be.