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[ashersky]

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I believe the claim, SB has no reason to lie if he's /outing. I think it's silly that we have a basically verified town member due to it, but oh well that's the game.

SB also got watcher/tracker confused, I think. No one targeted Raerae last night -- Raerae still very well may have performed actions.

Just catching up and this is the first post to catch my eye.  How can you believe the claim and say it's false in the same breath?

Cause I was right! He said he was tracker, then described his role as being a watcher, (at which point I made the above post) but then actually flipped as a tracker, he was just stating his role incorrectly.

Yeah, this was EFHW taking a TA quote and making it sound bad when it wasn't.

[nkirbit]

Nolynch ensure us more powerroles still in the game. Both because of any starting power a lynchée might have and because of the items that could boost the other players. It think the extra information we gain at night by not lynching town could make up for us missing a chance to lynch scum.

This is what we have from Xeiron when he initially puts forth the no lynch plan.

But Xeiron hasn't asked for any items other than the pen and paper, and as far as we know, already has his plan in motion (should he get his pen and paper, or possibly not).  So why the no lynch??  Does Xeiron not think we can catch scum today?

No lynch helps scum.  Why?  Because every day we no lynch is a day we didn't kill scum.  It reduces the number of mislynches scum needs to get to win the game.

There's no guarantee that no lynch gets us "more PRs" in the game.  Item PRs depend on getting the right pieces and combination guesses, right?  So no guarantees there.  And then there are the PRs we may or may not have been assigned at game start.

If you are balancing the fact that there are inventions that act as PRs, how do you balance that with actual roles?  Probably by making weaker roles.

Add in the fact that scum can be gaining stuff and inventing stuff and I think the no lynch plan just gets worse and worse.

Yes, I agree that no-lynch is bad.  I think it's anti-town at best, scummy at worst, and above all, not fun.  I'm pointing it out as another odd thing about Xeiron.. I think his no-lynch argument is bogus.

[ashersky]

I'm not convinced that claiming is bad. In fact, I think we could maybe get some great plans going, but it would involve risk.  I'm sure you will find a way to make this sound scummy, but I'm tempted to say let's go all in and really play this out.

Really?  Full mass claim on D1?

I mean, I LOVE claiming plans.  I push one in almost every game I play.  And yet I haven't in this game.  Why?  Because it is bad news bears.

[nkirbit]

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I believe the claim, SB has no reason to lie if he's /outing. I think it's silly that we have a basically verified town member due to it, but oh well that's the game.

SB also got watcher/tracker confused, I think. No one targeted Raerae last night -- Raerae still very well may have performed actions.

Just catching up and this is the first post to catch my eye.  How can you believe the claim and say it's false in the same breath?

Cause I was right! He said he was tracker, then described his role as being a watcher, (at which point I made the above post) but then actually flipped as a tracker, he was just stating his role incorrectly.

Yeah, this was EFHW taking a TA quote and making it sound bad when it wasn't.

Huh?  That was raerae.. what does EFHW have to do with it?

[raerae]

Well, so he was a tracker, not a watcher. Interesting that Raerae didn't target someone N0.

How do you know my role?  Why do you assume I can target somebody?  SB didn't see me do anything, yet you and Eevee insist on using the phrasing "target someone." 

[EFHW]

The "preferable" now is because we have already lost one towny and chances are we would lose another one.  I think I said that in my post.

Um, okay.  But "I think no-lynch may be preferable now" does NOT equal "no-lynch was a bad plan but might be an option if we get to deadline with no consensus" no matter how you slice them.

They're not equal.  Who said they were?  TA wondered about my past stance.  I told him.  It's not my current stance because the current circumstances were not foreseeable. 

[ashersky]

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I believe the claim, SB has no reason to lie if he's /outing. I think it's silly that we have a basically verified town member due to it, but oh well that's the game.

SB also got watcher/tracker confused, I think. No one targeted Raerae last night -- Raerae still very well may have performed actions.

Just catching up and this is the first post to catch my eye.  How can you believe the claim and say it's false in the same breath?

Cause I was right! He said he was tracker, then described his role as being a watcher, (at which point I made the above post) but then actually flipped as a tracker, he was just stating his role incorrectly.

Yeah, this was EFHW taking a TA quote and making it sound bad when it wasn't.

Huh?  That was raerae.. what does EFHW have to do with it?

Nothing.  Error.

raerae gets the scum points for that one.

[Archetype]

Is there a chance we could get the vote counts renumbered to 1.8, 1.9, 1.10, 1.11, rather than 1.8, 1.9, 1.91, 1.92 for future reference? It's really confusing right now.

haha, sure thing.

[Twistedarcher]

Agree that no lynch is bad. And what are you advocating claiming, EFHW? I think the claiming we've done today hasn't done anything in terms of helping us find scum.

Nkirbit is making a lot of sense right now.

[ashersky]

I said no lynch was a bad plan but might be an option if we get to deadline with no consensus.  I feel like that's where we are right now.  I somehow didn't realize xeiron's plan depended on no lynch for TWO days, though.  Like chairs, I thought he wanted no lynch b/c he wanted pen and paper for sure.  If he wants more items, maybe he should ask for them now.    For some reason I read it as he is asking not to be lynched himself Day 2, missed the no lynch thing. 

xeiron are you going to be able to tell us more Day 2 to justify no lynching again?  That's more than I think any of us can commit to at this point.

I read your response to TA as describing your current view on the no lynch plan.  If your response was describing your earlier, now changed, thoughts on no lynch, then that's different.  It wasn't clear to me, and I read it as describing how you currently felt about no lynch.

[Twistedarcher]

Well, so he was a tracker, not a watcher. Interesting that Raerae didn't target someone N0.

How do you know my role?  Why do you assume I can target somebody?  SB didn't see me do anything, yet you and Eevee insist on using the phrasing "target someone."

The point of a tracker is to watch a player and see who they targeted. According to spiritbears, now a confirmed town, you targeted no one N0. I have no idea whether you CAN target a player or not -- all I know is that you DIDN'T N0.

[nkirbit]

Well, so he was a tracker, not a watcher. Interesting that Raerae didn't target someone N0.

How do you know my role?  Why do you assume I can target somebody?  SB didn't see me do anything, yet you and Eevee insist on using the phrasing "target someone."

SB claimed he was a watcher, and claimed that from that information, he gathered that Raerae didn't target someone N0.  But that's not what a watcher tells you.. a watcher tells you who a person was targeted by.  So TA speculated that SB might have meant tracker, and was correct, as it turned out.

[ashersky]

Agree that no lynch is bad. And what are you advocating claiming, EFHW? I think the claiming we've done today hasn't done anything in terms of helping us find scum.

Nkirbit is making a lot of sense right now.

Claiming helps scum decide who needs to die.  EFHW is asking for help in who to target at night.

[nkirbit]

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I believe the claim, SB has no reason to lie if he's /outing. I think it's silly that we have a basically verified town member due to it, but oh well that's the game.

SB also got watcher/tracker confused, I think. No one targeted Raerae last night -- Raerae still very well may have performed actions.

Just catching up and this is the first post to catch my eye.  How can you believe the claim and say it's false in the same breath?

Cause I was right! He said he was tracker, then described his role as being a watcher, (at which point I made the above post) but then actually flipped as a tracker, he was just stating his role incorrectly.

Yeah, this was EFHW taking a TA quote and making it sound bad when it wasn't.

Huh?  That was raerae.. what does EFHW have to do with it?

Nothing.  Error.

raerae gets the scum points for that one.

You get a couple for this mixup, too.  This reeks of starting at the conclusion and then looking for the evidence.

[Twistedarcher]

Raerae you are trying to dig up dirts on my posts when there's clearly nothing there

[EFHW]

re: X's plan: I believe that we let him go through with it (aka give him some pen and paper), but we don't no lynch today.

The no lynch inconsistancy with EFHW is weird, and with the other things ash has put together, I think it's enough for a D1 vote: efhw

This is scummy even for mail-mi.

[ashersky]

Well, so he was a tracker, not a watcher. Interesting that Raerae didn't target someone N0.

How do you know my role?  Why do you assume I can target somebody?  SB didn't see me do anything, yet you and Eevee insist on using the phrasing "target someone."

The point of a tracker is to watch a player and see who they targeted. According to spiritbears, now a confirmed town, you targeted no one N0. I have no idea whether you CAN target a player or not -- all I know is that you DIDN'T N0.

This is correct, raerae.  You were outed as not targeting anyone N0 by now mod-confirmed/dead spiritbears.  SB's claim + mod-confirmed role + mod-confirmed role/item interaction rules means you targeted no one.  Doesn't mean we know your role.

[mail-mi]

I don't think we're going to be able to get a lynch (or no lynch) by soft deadline tonight in ~ 14 minutes.

[ashersky]

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I believe the claim, SB has no reason to lie if he's /outing. I think it's silly that we have a basically verified town member due to it, but oh well that's the game.

SB also got watcher/tracker confused, I think. No one targeted Raerae last night -- Raerae still very well may have performed actions.

Just catching up and this is the first post to catch my eye.  How can you believe the claim and say it's false in the same breath?

Cause I was right! He said he was tracker, then described his role as being a watcher, (at which point I made the above post) but then actually flipped as a tracker, he was just stating his role incorrectly.

Yeah, this was EFHW taking a TA quote and making it sound bad when it wasn't.

Huh?  That was raerae.. what does EFHW have to do with it?

Nothing.  Error.

raerae gets the scum points for that one.

You get a couple for this mixup, too.  This reeks of starting at the conclusion and then looking for the evidence.

That's fine.  I am convinced EFHW is scum, and everything that I read her post (or think are her posts) will read as scum manipulation.

Turns out it was raerae manipulating TA's post that time.  The premise was correct, if not the target.

[mail-mi]

re: X's plan: I believe that we let him go through with it (aka give him some pen and paper), but we don't no lynch today.

The no lynch inconsistancy with EFHW is weird, and with the other things ash has put together, I think it's enough for a D1 vote: efhw

This is scummy even for mail-mi.

? Explanation? First part or second part? What about it is scummy?

[ashersky]

I don't think we're going to be able to get a lynch (or no lynch) by soft deadline tonight in ~ 14 minutes.

As mentioned previously, I'll be VLA after today until Sunday.  I don't see me moving my vote, though.

[ashersky]

re: X's plan: I believe that we let him go through with it (aka give him some pen and paper), but we don't no lynch today.

The no lynch inconsistancy with EFHW is weird, and with the other things ash has put together, I think it's enough for a D1 vote: efhw

This is scummy even for mail-mi.

? Explanation? First part or second part? What about it is scummy?

I think it is OMGUS on EFHW's part.

[EFHW]

re: X's plan: I believe that we let him go through with it (aka give him some pen and paper), but we don't no lynch today.
The no lynch inconsistancy with EFHW is weird, and with the other things ash has put together, I think it's enough for a D1 vote: efhw

This is scummy even for mail-mi.

? Explanation? First part or second part? What about it is scummy?

2nd part.  Can you list what you think Ash has put together?

[nkirbit]

Want to lynch: xeiron

Would lynch: ahoppy ashersky mail-mi

Would lynch if no lynch was only other option: everyone else

But I really prefer the xerion lynch

[raerae]

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I believe the claim, SB has no reason to lie if he's /outing. I think it's silly that we have a basically verified town member due to it, but oh well that's the game.

SB also got watcher/tracker confused, I think. No one targeted Raerae last night -- Raerae still very well may have performed actions.

Just catching up and this is the first post to catch my eye.  How can you believe the claim and say it's false in the same breath?

Cause I was right! He said he was tracker, then described his role as being a watcher, (at which point I made the above post) but then actually flipped as a tracker, he was just stating his role incorrectly.

Whether you were right or not in the end, that is still a clear contradiction.  If I were to dumb down that post to one sentence, this is how it would read, "I believe him but he wasn't telling the truth."