I'm back from Chicago!
You've all been exceedingly prolific this weekend, haven't you? And SB... that's an unfortunate situation, there. It reinforces my opinion that TA was the scummier of the two (at the time I made that decision), though at current moment I'm hard-pressed to argue that it's necessarily TA.
I'm sure I'm going to miss some important posts, given the volume, but in my re-reading of the thread here are some posts I found important (sectioning them out):
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I'm still processing all the new posts (sorry I've been missing) and I think that we could safely say that either spiritbears or ta are likely scum. There are potential other options but those two could have been arguing for the benefit of detracting from meaningful conversation. Since we're looking close to soft deadline... vote: twistedarcher
People questioned why Chairs came to the conclusion that one of the two are likely scum, but I don't think anyone asked:
Why did you pick TA as your vote rather than SB, Chairs? Was there a reason?
TA was on the attack, and seemed remarkably aggressive for somebody who wasn't already sold on lynching. We've since had a discussion that this is typical of TA, but at the time I felt it was awfully scummy to try to push that case so hard, especially since spiritbears appears to be easily put "on tilt" in a way that scum could potentially abuse more heavily than town.
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-- He brings up the possibility that scum can steal items. This could be read either way, but in general I don't think scum would want to alert town to possible dangers, especially since scum could get a stealing power from items even if they don't have one now.
See bolded sentence for possible scumslip, or yet another instance of town claiming information on accident. How could you know scum can gain the ability to steal something from items? Scum might know this from their own info. Or you yourself know of such an item, as town. But really, this is bad. Like, lynching bad.
I think you must be misunderstanding me. My reasoning went like this:
1. If scum has a stealing power and TA is scum, he would not remind town of the possibility.
2. If scum doesn't have stealing power, TA could still be scum and bring up stealing to create confusion and seem towny.
3. BUT in this game, even if scum doesn't have stealing power now, they could get it in the future and therefore #1 still applies, and this is evidence of TA's towniness.
The possibility of a scumslip lies in the possibility of you saying "The power's out there, and scum COULD get it", rather than it coming across as "There COULD be a power out there that lets scum do this". Ash is interpreting as the first I presume. I don't agree that this is necessarily the case.
Now here's an interesting situation. I agree with TA on this, and this leans towards ash being slightly scum. If Ash is not a native-born English speaker, I would lean more towards null-read from this as it could be language barrier in a very very specific sort of context.
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Ahoppy is v/la, btw, and I think chairs said he would be gone, too? He didn't put it in the v/la thread.
I guess I'm not familiar with the v/la thread, I must have missed it. I'm back now, but I'll keep that in mind for any future absences.
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I believe the claim, SB has no reason to lie if he's /outing. I think it's silly that we have a basically verified town member due to it, but oh well that's the game.
SB also got watcher/tracker confused, I think. No one targeted Raerae last night -- Raerae still very well may have performed actions.
I agree that SB's /out (followed by the confirmed town post-modkill) was unfortunate, but at least we garnered some information out of it. The watcher/tracker mixup mention initially made me want to ask for followup from you on what you meant here (potential cop PR or scum or something?) but after rethinking your intent you were just explaining SB (if a watcher, as initially suggested) would have only seen that nobody did anything to Raerae, not whether Raerae did anything (though we now know that SB was a tracker and the "Raerae did nothing" description is accurate, suggesting town).
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Additional notes:
X's idea is interesting, but a proper lynch could potentially set us in a decent position. The primary argument for no-lynch that I can think of (if we want to see X's concept through) is that we might mislynch the person with pen (since we have paper, it does seem reasonable that we have some sort of writing implement). That being said, I'm not sold on no-lynch. There's a few people who have bounced back and forth between "maybe scum?" and "hell I don't know" a few times in the 10 pages I just read, but I'll try to provide some sort of scum-to-chum list (with reasoning) soon.
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Summary:
I'm back, there's lots of fun new things going on from a very prolific posting weekend. I like X's idea but dislike that we have to no-lynch twice to maximize his chances of it working, and despite his relatively pro-town look there's still certainly opportunity for him to be scum (just as there is for all of us who are still alive) and a pair of no-lynch nights, if the gambit does not work, could go very pro-scum. I'd like to make a scum-to-chum list but I'm still recovering from my 4-day-drinkathon so I will produce one Soon(tm).
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