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[yuma]

I am /in.

[mcmcsalot]

We can /in? ME PLEASE

[Eevee]

Yeah.

[Archetype]

Looks great!
/in

[shraeye]

Just viewing for now.

[Galzria]

/in

My time constraints might make me regret this. Galzria with no sleep is grumpy. But I'll play anyway.

[Voltaire]

/tag

[mail-mi]

AWWW MAN i really wish I could /in but I've got 22-26 of this month with 0 access! DANG IT!

[EFHW]

Sign-up suspended!  I found a fatal flaw, need to revise.  Stay tuned.

[mail-mi]

Sign-up suspended! stupified! I found a fatal flaw, need to revise.  Stay tuned.

FIFY

[liopoil]

well, I'm /in.

[yuma]

/in aga/in

[mcmcsalot]

Super sad /out

[Galzria]

Super sad /out

[mail-mi]

Super sad /out

[nkirbit]

/in.

[EFHW]

Sign-up suspended!  I found a fatal flaw, need to revise.  Stay tuned.

bump -- Sorry, I'm working on it!

[EFHW]

Design revised.  Open for sign-ups and comments.

[ashersky]

A couple of questions and two comments:

--For the Doctor role, can he doctor someone and hand out the 1-shot bulletproof the same night?

--In the ruleset, it names two specific houses that do things collectively, but in the setup, it says all houses get a vote.  Was that a change?

I think the current setup favors town by quite a lot.  Combined full watcher/tracker is really strong, and a full doctor, and 1-shot bulletproof against...3 goons?  They can't even use the nighttime house lynching effectively since they aren't guaranteed to be in different houses, and they can't be in all four.

Also, you could easily force a survivor claim on D1 by making everyone say "I am in a House" and then having someone else confirm it.  You could pre-cook confirmations on N0 (if there is talking then), so the Survivor would be caught in a lie or would just have to be honest, since he isn't allowed to post in any House QT.

I also think a strong Survivor player will be able to tell who the scum team is after a night's worth of House QT reading, since he can see all of them and compare notes.  He could spill the beans early and see who agrees.

So all in all, I really think scum could be highly disadvantaged here; partly due to having zero PRs and partly due to the way the setup allows for them to possibly be caught quickly.

[liopoil]

the survivor is screwed. Mass houseclaim D1 to out him, and eventually, one of the factions is going to want the survivor dead.

Also, effective doublelynch for town. Choose a second player to lynch during the day, and at night if it doesn't happen you hunt down who didn't do it and lynch them.

[EFHW]

A couple of questions and two comments:

--For the Doctor role, can he doctor someone and hand out the 1-shot bulletproof the same night?

yes

--In the ruleset, it names two specific houses that do things collectively, but in the setup, it says all houses get a vote.  Was that a change?

fixed

I think the current setup favors town by quite a lot.  Combined full watcher/tracker is really strong, and a full doctor, and 1-shot bulletproof against...3 goons?  They can't even use the nighttime house lynching effectively since they aren't guaranteed to be in different houses, and they can't be in all four.

Also, you could easily force a survivor claim on D1 by making everyone say "I am in a House" and then having someone else confirm it.  You could pre-cook confirmations on N0 (if there is talking then), so the Survivor would be caught in a lie or would just have to be honest, since he isn't allowed to post in any House QT.

I also think a strong Survivor player will be able to tell who the scum team is after a night's worth of House QT reading, since he can see all of them and compare notes.  He could spill the beans early and see who agrees.

So all in all, I really think scum could be highly disadvantaged here; partly due to having zero PRs and partly due to the way the setup allows for them to possibly be caught quickly.

I am considering eliminating the survivor and going back to a 12 person game.

[EFHW]

I might get rid of the IC, too.  I keep wanting to do cool flavor things that don't work that well in open set-ups.  I think I've played too much RMM recently.

[Archetype]

I think I'm going to have to /out do to an upcoming V/LA. But I'll still give comments on the setup.

I still think you should go back to the different houses with no head of house. I suggest axing the Survivor as well, I would hate to be him in this game.

I'd also still go with no town PRs and just have the house PRs. Makes things a whole lot simpler and tilts things back in scum's favor.

It's still your game, so you of course have the final say, but these are just my opinions.

[ashersky]

I might get rid of the IC, too.  I keep wanting to do cool flavor things that don't work that well in open set-ups.  I think I've played too much RMM recently.

Remember, the IC also gives one house an advantage in scumhunting, because they'll have a smaller pool to suspect.

[ashersky]

I think the current setup favors town by quite a lot.  Combined full watcher/tracker is really strong, and a full doctor, and 1-shot bulletproof against...3 goons?  They can't even use the nighttime house lynching effectively since they aren't guaranteed to be in different houses, and they can't be in all four.

Also, you could easily force a survivor claim on D1 by making everyone say "I am in a House" and then having someone else confirm it.  You could pre-cook confirmations on N0 (if there is talking then), so the Survivor would be caught in a lie or would just have to be honest, since he isn't allowed to post in any House QT.

I also think a strong Survivor player will be able to tell who the scum team is after a night's worth of House QT reading, since he can see all of them and compare notes.  He could spill the beans early and see who agrees.

So all in all, I really think scum could be highly disadvantaged here; partly due to having zero PRs and partly due to the way the setup allows for them to possibly be caught quickly.

I am considering eliminating the survivor and going back to a 12 person game.

It probably helps the set-up to drop the Survivor...but I think as is, scum's only real chance at winning was getting the survivor on their side from D1.  But the problem with that is how easy it is to out the survivor and just kill him off later in the game.

I think the biggest balance issue at present is two very strong town PRs against zero scum PRs.  Usually, Watchers and Trackers are hindered by needing to target either the target or the killer to catch scum.  That's not an issue here, as the role is combined.  In RMM, Watchers/Trackers are weakened by having many PRs that could target other players for a variety of reasons--again not an issue here due to there being just the Doctor who targets as town.  Remember, scum can't fake claim Doctor if they are caught by the Watcher/Tracker because the target would be dead.

W/T targets A, sees "W/T, B" as results.  A is dead.  B can't say "you saw me because I'm the Doctor!" since A is dead.  Another situation is W/T targets A, sees "W/T, B" and there is no kill.  W/T can be pretty certain B is the Doctor.  Even in a situation where W/T targets A, sees "W/T, B, C" and no kill, you lynch B and C in any order and still catch scum.