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[HeavyD]

Pop Quiz everyone! (Really... I just have 2 rules questions)

Question 1: What does "trash your hand" imply? Say I play Count and decide to trash my hand which includes a Rats card, so...

A) I trash my hand all at once, then draw from my trashed Rats afterward.

B) I trash my hand card by card, trashing my Rats first, draw a card and continue to trash the rest of my hand.

Question 2: True or False? In a Fairgrounds game with Knights, does each Knight (Sir Bailey, Dame Anna, etc.) count as a unique card?

[AJD]

1. A.

2. Yes.

[eHalcyon]

Pretty much all multiple-card trashers do it atomically (all at once).  The only exception I can think of is Remake, which says to "do this twice".

Fairgrounds (and the other variety cards) talk about card names.  Sir Bailey has a different name than Dame Anna, so they all count as unique.

[HeavyD]

Glad I passed my own pop quiz...

Thanks for the clarification

[shMerker]

Also: The various types of ruins all count toward variety too. And anything that counts toward variety for Fairgrounds also applies to Menagerie, Horn of Plenty, Harvest, and Hunting Party.

[Asper]

Also: The various types of ruins all count toward variety too. And anything that counts toward variety for Fairgrounds also applies to Menagerie, Horn of Plenty, Harvest, and Hunting Party.

Ruins - keeping Hunting Party from being strictly better than Lab since 2012.

[eHalcyon]

Also: The various types of ruins all count toward variety too. And anything that counts toward variety for Fairgrounds also applies to Menagerie, Horn of Plenty, Harvest, and Hunting Party.

Ruins - keeping Hunting Party from being strictly better than Lab since 2012.

HP wasn't strictly better than Lab even before Ruins.

[Asper]

Also: The various types of ruins all count toward variety too. And anything that counts toward variety for Fairgrounds also applies to Menagerie, Horn of Plenty, Harvest, and Hunting Party.

Ruins - keeping Hunting Party from being strictly better than Lab since 2012.

HP wasn't strictly better than Lab even before Ruins.

I know it's not strictly strictly better. But it's the closest any card comes to being strictly better than another one of the same cost. At least the Wiki sides with me. Only other would be Noble Brigand, but special Treasures are there what Ruins are for Hunting Party.

[gman314]

Also: The various types of ruins all count toward variety too. And anything that counts toward variety for Fairgrounds also applies to Menagerie, Horn of Plenty, Harvest, and Hunting Party.

Ruins - keeping Hunting Party from being strictly better than Lab since 2012.

HP wasn't strictly better than Lab even before Ruins.

I know it's not strictly strictly better. But it's the closest any card comes to being strictly better than another one of the same cost. At least the Wiki sides with me. Only other would be Noble Brigand, but special Treasures are there what Ruins are for Hunting Party.

No, the wiki doesn't side with you. WW's opinion in the strategy article which is on the wiki sides with you.

[GendoIkari]

Also: The various types of ruins all count toward variety too. And anything that counts toward variety for Fairgrounds also applies to Menagerie, Horn of Plenty, Harvest, and Hunting Party.

Ruins - keeping Hunting Party from being strictly better than Lab since 2012.

HP wasn't strictly better than Lab even before Ruins.

I know it's not strictly strictly better. But it's the closest any card comes to being strictly better than another one of the same cost. At least the Wiki sides with me. Only other would be Noble Brigand, but special Treasures are there what Ruins are for Hunting Party.

I'd take Noble Brigand vs Thief over Hinting Party vs Laboratory in a contest for "closest to strictly better" any day. Lab can draw your whole deck, HP can't. HP requires a specific type of deck, one which is admittedly usually a powerful deck deck. But Lab works in essentially any deck (edge case: Philosopher's Stone). They each have their own situations where they're useful.

[eHalcyon]

I think the statement in the article is meant to emphasize that HP is often better than Lab.  However, it still isn't strictly superior, and not just because of Ruins.  Read further into that article -- WW writes an entire section about when Lab is better.

[Asper]

I know when to give up.

[brokoli]

I'd take Noble Brigand vs Thief over Hinting Party vs Laboratory in a contest for "closest to strictly better" any day. Lab can draw your whole deck, HP can't. HP requires a specific type of deck, one which is admittedly usually a powerful deck deck. But Lab works in essentially any deck (edge case: Philosopher's Stone). They each have their own situations where they're useful.

I disagree, I have seen more games where Thief, in a special purpose, would have been better than NB.
One of the best uses for thief is with kingdom treasure cards, especially Fool's gold and IGG, so...
But anyway, I would say the closest to strictly better comparison is Wharf vs. Council room.

[RTT]

I'd take Noble Brigand vs Thief over Hinting Party vs Laboratory in a contest for "closest to strictly better" any day. Lab can draw your whole deck, HP can't. HP requires a specific type of deck, one which is admittedly usually a powerful deck deck. But Lab works in essentially any deck (edge case: Philosopher's Stone). They each have their own situations where they're useful.

I disagree, I have seen more games where Thief, in a special purpose, would have been better than NB.
One of the best uses for thief is with kingdom treasure cards, especially Fool's gold and IGG, so...
But anyway, I would say the closest to strictly better comparison is Wharf vs. Council room.

Mh warf is a lot worse if its your final turn

[GendoIkari]

I'd take Noble Brigand vs Thief over Hinting Party vs Laboratory in a contest for "closest to strictly better" any day. Lab can draw your whole deck, HP can't. HP requires a specific type of deck, one which is admittedly usually a powerful deck deck. But Lab works in essentially any deck (edge case: Philosopher's Stone). They each have their own situations where they're useful.

I disagree, I have seen more games where Thief, in a special purpose, would have been better than NB.
One of the best uses for thief is with kingdom treasure cards, especially Fool's gold and IGG, so...
But anyway, I would say the closest to strictly better comparison is Wharf vs. Council room.

I didn't say that NB was strictly better... of course there have been games where Thief is better, just like there have been games where Lab is better than HP. I just said that I see it as closer to strictly better than HP is to Lab.

[Warfreak2]

But anyway, I would say the closest to strictly better comparison is Wharf vs. Council room.

Four cards is a lot to draw at once, and if you are drawing your deck anyway, Council Room is more like "now and on your next turn when you play this again, +4 Cards, +1 Buy". Council Room and Wharf also both let your opponent start their turn with a bigger hand!

I had a game with both Thief and Noble Brigand though, with no alt Treasure, and was delighted to see my opponent choose Thief.

[eHalcyon]

But anyway, I would say the closest to strictly better comparison is Wharf vs. Council room.

Four cards is a lot to draw at once, and if you are drawing your deck anyway, Council Room is more like "now and on your next turn when you play this again, +4 Cards, +1 Buy". Council Room and Wharf also both let your opponent start their turn with a bigger hand!

I had a game with both Thief and Noble Brigand though, with no alt Treasure, and was delighted to see my opponent choose Thief.

Wharf doesn't help your opponent...

[shMerker]

Maybe Warfreak was subconsciously comparing both to Margrave.

[Warfreak2]

I was being whimsical; Wharf allows your opponent to start with an increased handsize, if they play it on their previous turn...