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[Twistedarcher]

Isn't claiming better in RMM than in normal mafia for town? As in, you're not providing a night target, since everyone was a power role, anyways.

I had that thought as well.

Its only D2 but we are getting close to the end of the game. If Eevee is correct about Sudgy, mislynching Sudgy results in a loss for town (I think if Sudgy = town then partner = town, without a doubt). That would put us at 2/2 going into the night.

I don't follow the bolded part here.  What partner do you mean?

Sudgy's lover. If Sudgy is town, his claim was truthful, and he has a lover, who's DEFINITELY town.

[EFHW]

I guess Eevee's in a tough spot.  He wants us to do what he says but he either thinks it's a bad idea to claim or doesn't want to risk a detailed fakeclaim.  This puts us in a tough spot about whether to believe him or not.

[Twistedarcher]

I personally don't believe Eevee, and I'm still okay lynching Sudgy.

[Twistedarcher]

Ugh I want to analyze Eevee's possible roles but I don't want to post them and rolefish.

[EFHW]

Sudgy's lover. If Sudgy is town, his claim was truthful, and he has a lover, who's DEFINITELY town.

I'm pretty tired, so maybe I'm being dense, but what makes town!sudgy's lover definitely also town?

[Eevee]

If Sudgy is scum, there's NO way scum!Eevee would do this, though

What happened to this?

[Eevee]

If I was mafia with sudgy, I would have just invented a detailed fake claim.

Really, me claiming hurts town significantly.

[Twistedarcher]

Sudgy's lover. If Sudgy is town, his claim was truthful, and he has a lover, who's DEFINITELY town.

I'm pretty tired, so maybe I'm being dense, but what makes town!sudgy's lover definitely also town?

Sudgy's lover was one of the women from 2 gentlemen of verona, forget their names. Unknown which one. But both were definitely good people in shakespeare, and role presupposes alignment, so therefore if Sudgy is town, his lover is town.

[EFHW]

ok, I see now.

[Twistedarcher]

If Sudgy is scum, there's NO way scum!Eevee would do this, though

What happened to this?

I don't think you're scum, but I think Sudgy very well may be..

It really depends on what your proof of town Sudgy is!

I can't see any claim you could make that's simultaneously really bad for town AND gives full confirmation of Sudgy's towniess.

[Eevee]

If you forced me to claim, I think I would want to lie.

It's not full confirmation, but easily enough to make him my top townread. If you
think I'm town, just my judgemen! It's actually sort of scummy you don't want to..

[EFHW]

It doesn't look like we're going to lynch tonight, so I'll "see" you all in the morning.

[sudgy]

Sorry guys for not posting recently, I've been doing stuff.  I've just been catching up then having to do something else.

Anyway, I feel like I need to say that I will not be around for the soft deadline.  I'm going to be gone from around ~5:30 PM Friday to some time Saturday.

[Twistedarcher]

We can move it, since you're the only one who's even responded so far

[Twistedarcher]

If you forced me to claim, I think I would want to lie.

It's not full confirmation, but easily enough to make him my top townread. If you
think I'm town, just my judgemen! It's actually sort of scummy you don't want to..

Ugh. Would your lying really be better for town than telling the truth?

I just...ugh. I'm so uneasy about this.

I think mail-mi is town. If I believe you, that means Raerae and EFHW are town.

I agree that EFHW could be town, but I'm not sure on Raerae.

[Twistedarcher]

Also of note, Eevee had a scumread on Sudgy D1.

[ashersky]

The night has been unruly. Where we lay,
Our chimneys were blown down and, as they say,
Lamentings heard i' th' air, strange screams of death,
And prophesying with accents terrible
Of dire combustion and confused events
New hatched to the woeful time. The obscure bird
Clamored the livelong night. Some say the Earth
Was feverous and did shake.


Vote Count Act II.VII:

Eevee (1): mail-mi
EFHW (2): Twistedarcher, Eevee
sudgy (2): raerae, EFHW

Not Voting (1): sudgy

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Act II ends on June 20th at 7:00 p.m.

Your three free days have been used up.  You are now on banked time.

[mail-mi]

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

@ash: your sig still says D1, by the way.

[Eevee]

TA, what is it that you are worried about? That I'm wrong or that I'm scum?

[raerae]

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

@ash: your sig still says D1, by the way.

No.  No, I will not.  I believe kermit was the ATTEMPTED night kill and somebody saved him sort of.  Consider:  I'm pushing the hell out of lynch a claimed lover and there is plenty of resistance.  Was there for the other set of lovers?  NO!  Because scum knew they were both town.  Sudgy and/or his lover is/are scum.

[EFHW]

We can move it, since you're the only one who's even responded so far

Actually, I suggested the same soft deadline and raerae said she might not be there.

[Twistedarcher]

TA, what is it that you are worried about? That I'm wrong or that I'm scum?

More the first, but the second is definitely a concern, too.

I just don't see a role that makes you confident that Sudgy is town, AND makes revealing is so so so terribly awful. I can't.

[Twistedarcher]

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

@ash: your sig still says D1, by the way.

No.  No, I will not.  I believe kermit was the ATTEMPTED night kill and somebody saved him sort of. Consider:  I'm pushing the hell out of lynch a claimed lover and there is plenty of resistance.  Was there for the other set of lovers?  NO!  Because scum knew they were both town.  Sudgy and/or his lover is/are scum.

I disagree with this -- our poison doctor is gone. I'm pretty confident that nkirbit was the poison target and NOT the attempted night kill. If he was the attempted night kill, I think he dies with normal flavor.

It's frustrating that we don't know what his role was.

Also, Lio obviously opposed Xeiron's lynch, and Eevee is the only person actively opposing Sudgy's lynch.

[Twistedarcher]

We can move it, since you're the only one who's even responded so far

Actually, I suggested the same soft deadline and raerae said she might not be there.

Oops missed that. Raerae what times are you available for a soft deadline?

[EFHW]

@raerae: nkirbit was not the scum kill. Consider this a fact. Next, if sudgy is scum, why isn't there a scum kill??. What doctor in thier right mind would protect someone other than sudgy??

No.  No, I will not.  I believe kermit was the ATTEMPTED night kill and somebody saved him sort of. Consider:  I'm pushing the hell out of lynch a claimed lover and there is plenty of resistance.  Was there for the other set of lovers?  NO!  Because scum knew they were both town.  Sudgy and/or his lover is/are scum.

I disagree with this -- our poison doctor is gone. I'm pretty confident that nkirbit was the poison target and NOT the attempted night kill. If he was the attempted night kill, I think he dies with normal flavor.

Well nkirbit's coma is hurting us because we need 4/6 people to agree for a lynch.  mail-mi, where do you stand on the sudgy lynch?