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[EFHW]

vote: nkirbit

Can anyone explain to me a setup with two different nightkills that does not start in d1 lylo and does  include a single as town?

Where do you get the idea of 2 nightkills?

[nkirbit]

vote: nkirbit

Can anyone explain to me a setup with two different nightkills that does not start in d1 lylo and does  include a single as town?

Assuming four lover teams:

A + B :  Scumteam A
C + D:  Scumteam B
E + F:  Town A
G + H: Town B
I: Town

Day one, we mislynch, kill E + F.  It's possible that the two scum teams kill each other and the game's over, and town wins.

There's any number of possibilities.

[xeiron]

yes xeiron, I am aware.

EFHW, what do you think of this situation?

Xeiron -- if you're town -- what POSSIBLE reason do you have for writing to Lio in the QT, but not in the forums.

Talking about stuff that should not be revealed to scum. Thats why you have QT, no?

[xeiron]

vote: nkirbit

Can anyone explain to me a setup with two different nightkills that does not start in d1 lylo and does  include a single as town?

Where do you get the idea of 2 nightkills?

From me being a doctor saving against only one kind.

[Twistedarcher]

Well, it would have been better before we outed Nkirbit as not being part of a lover-pair....I don't know what reason we had for claiming lover/non-lover. It would have been good if we believed Xeiron's setup beliefs about this game, but I have no reason to believe Xeiron's setup beliefs over my own.

[Eevee]

okay I just finished page 34 and realized I'm too tired to get through all of it today. I can continue reading in 8 hours when I wake up, but if I'm needed for something before that, sunmarize what it is and I'll try my best to contribute. new posts are coming in like crazy, so I assume something is up.

[ashersky]

Vote Count Act I.XXVI:

xeiron (4): sudgy, raerae, nkirbit, Twistedarcher
Twistedarcher (1): EFHW
EFHW (1): liopoil
nkirbit (1): xeiron

Not Voting (2): mail-mi, Eevee

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Act I ends on June 11 at 8:30 p.m.

[nkirbit]

Well, it would have been better before we outed Nkirbit as not being part of a lover-pair....I don't know what reason we had for claiming lover/non-lover. It would have been good if we believed Xeiron's setup beliefs about this game, but I have no reason to believe Xeiron's setup beliefs over my own.

Are you saying you have set up beliefs?

[Twistedarcher]

okay I just finished page 34 and realized I'm too tired to get through all of it today. I can continue reading in 8 hours when I wake up, but if I'm needed for something before that, sunmarize what it is and I'll try my best to contribute. new posts are coming in like crazy, so I assume something is up.

Xeiron - Lio claimed lovers. QT, Xeiron can post at day, Lio at night. Lio is a lover-cop - put 2 people together, get yes/no on whether they're lovers. Xeiron is a doctor, unknown how many shots.

Xeiron at L-1. Several people don't believe, Xeiron has lied about his information, misled town, tried to out Sudgy's lover partner, tried to get everyone to claim lover/nonlover.

They claim 4 sets of lovers in game, possibly 3, but definitely at least this many. Sooo much setup speculation that we thought was much firmer than it is, when really they have nothing.

[Twistedarcher]

Well, it would have been better before we outed Nkirbit as not being part of a lover-pair....I don't know what reason we had for claiming lover/non-lover. It would have been good if we believed Xeiron's setup beliefs about this game, but I have no reason to believe Xeiron's setup beliefs over my own.

Are you saying you have set up beliefs?

Slight slight slight beliefs, but I'd NEVER use them as firm evidence in a lynch unless they were actually firm beliefs.

[liopoil]

Well, Vote: Nkirbit I guess because he's a better lynch than xeiron

Consider this:

Don't lynch us today. We use our PRs, and tommorow if we aren't dead reconsider. We will likely be dead.

[EFHW]

Eevee - Liopoil and xeiron have claimed lovers, where Lio is a lover-cop (he can choose two people and ask if they are lovers with each other) and Xeiron is a partial doctor - there is one kind of injury he can heal, another he presumably cannot.  The problem is they have told us their story in dribs and drabs with a number of contradictions and we are having a hard time believing it.

[liopoil]

the only contradictions are in xeiron's reasoning, that's it. EFHW is still my top suspect.

[ashersky]

Vote Count Act I.XXVII:

xeiron (4): sudgy, raerae, nkirbit, Twistedarcher
Twistedarcher (1): EFHW
nkirbit (2): xeiron, liopoil

Not Voting (2): mail-mi, Eevee

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Act I ends on June 11 at 8:30 p.m.

[Twistedarcher]

Well, Vote: Nkirbit I guess because he's a better lynch than xeiron

Consider this:

Don't lynch us today. We use our PRs, and tommorow if we aren't dead reconsider. We will likely be dead.

Toooo scummy. We have no use of verifying that you actually used the PRs you say you have.

[EFHW]

but why sudgy-Eevee-TA?

I said before, because they were the only ones who speculated about lovers.

I don't support much of anything that Xeiron is saying, but I don't think that makes him scum.

mail-mi was the first to bring it up.

sorry, that should be they were the only ones who DIDN'T speculate about lovers.

I never said a word about lovers.  You're stumbling over yourself here.

And sudgy said quite a lot about lovers.  This is messed up.

[liopoil]

EFHW, what are you trying to say? yes, lots of contradictions there. I am explaining xeiron's reasoning, and yes, it doesn't make sense because of the reasons in those quotes. The only contradictions are in xeiron's reasoning.

I think EFHW is scum wanting to be off wagon and letting this lynch go through. If she's town I think she either defends us or hammers us.

[Twistedarcher]

What are your reads on everyone, Lio?

[Eevee]

Okay, still 6 pages behind but atm willing to support lynching xeiron.

[xeiron]

04 am here.
I am going to sleep now.
Hopefully we are still alive tomorrow. If not.

Nkirbit, sudgy and raerae are my scumreads

[liopoil]

I should add that the flavor name for my role is "matchmaker", which is a little weird.

scum to town:

EFHW
sudgy
nkirbit
raerae
mail-mi
eevee
xeiron
twistedarcher
liopoil

[liopoil]

hold on.

[liopoil]

I'm gonna copy and paste a couple posts from our QT to clarify.


"That role would be pretty pointless if there where no other lovers out there.
It make more sense i there are at least two more, as my role could then be useful.

Assumption 1: There are at least 3 lover couples in this game.

Then I started thinking about the setup:

Assumption 2: We do not start in mylo
Assumption 3: We cannot lynch all mafia in one lynch.

I have nothing to confirm this is true, but in my mind a balanced rmm game should have at least one night before the game is over.

In the start of this game, a lot of people where theory-talking about lovers (EFHW, mail-mi, nkirbit, raerae, lio and sudgy).
Sudgy also had this post where he wanted to flavor-claim. I thought lovers would not do so.

Assumption 4. EFHW, mail-mi, nkirbit and raerae are all lovers with someone.
my theory is (EFHW, Raerae), and (nkirbit, mail-mi). I will investigate this further tonight.


Ok, so if you combine assumption 2, 3, and 4. What Mafia-setups is possible.
1. 2 single mafia + 3 town couples + 1 single town = 2 of (sudgy, eevee, TA) is scum
2. 1 single mafia + 3town couples + 1 scum-town-couple = at least 1 of (sudgy,eevee,TA) is scum
3. 2 scum-town-couples + 1 single sk + 2 town couples = at least 1 of (sudgy,eevee,TA) is scum

Anyhow you look at this this, at least one scum is not a lover, and (sudgy,eevee,TA) is where to find them."

"Let us give everyone names:

A1 - A2 -- Lovers

B1 - B2 -- Lovers

C1 - C2 -- Lovers

D1- D2 - D3 -- D1 is lover with D2 or D3
___________________
A1 = xeiron
A2 = Liopoil
D1 = Sudgy.

I think
B1 = nkirbit
B2 = mail-mi
C1 = EFHW
C2 = Raerae
D2 = eevee
D3 = TA

It is also possible that
B2 = eevee
D2 = mail-mi"

"OK what about this setup.

a1, a2, b1, b2, c1, c2 = town.

D2 = mafiateam1, D3 = mafiateam2, D1 = Sudgy = survivor/traitor and will join and become lover with whichever of D2 or D3 who survives the longest.

D2 and D3 kills differently, witch would explain our special doctoring (only sick people)"

[liopoil]

those are all xeiron quotes.

[Twistedarcher]

I should add that the flavor name for my role is "matchmaker", which is a little weird.

scum to town:

EFHW
sudgy
nkirbit
raerae
mail-mi
eevee
xeiron
twistedarcher
liopoil

Hero as "Matchmaker" makes NO sense.