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[xeiron]

Thanks Shraeye.

We really do want to get this done tonight. Should we set another soft deadline for tonight?

I agree to soft deadline 8:30 pm tonight.
We should try to keep it this time, so we should make room for claims and stuff.

[sudgy]

Thanks Shraeye.

We really do want to get this done tonight. Should we set another soft deadline for tonight?

Yes.


Also, want to/will lynch list:

Want to lynch: xeiron, nkirbit if that fails.
Will lynch if they are the only other option: lio, and maybe a few others if a good enough case is made on them.

[xeiron]

Xeiron, yes or no - do you believe Sudgy's claim?

Most of it seems plausible, but I cannot stop thinking that there is something edited/cut out.

It would make sense if Sudgy was told which players names corresponded with Julia and Silvia.
Sudgy have voted for all players except TwistedArcher and raerae during this game.
I think he would have been more careful with his vote if he really had anonymous lovers.

[xeiron]

Actually, Sudgy and TwistedArcher has acted like lovers this whole game.
They have maintained a townread on each other without much explanation.
They have supported each others case, and they have been active in pushing other cases when one them has been in he spotlight.
That reads like lovers to me. Lovers or scumpair.

[Twistedarcher]

Actually, Sudgy and TwistedArcher has acted like lovers this whole game.
They have maintained a townread on each other without much explanation.
They have supported each others case, and they have been active in pushing other cases when one them has been in he spotlight.
That reads like lovers to me. Lovers or scumpair.

No, I'm not Sudgy's lover.

But regardless of if I am, WHY ARE YOU CALLING THIS OUT.

If anyone thinks they figure out who Sudgy's lover is, DO NOT CALL IT OUT. Why give scum more targets??

[sudgy]

Actually, Sudgy and TwistedArcher has acted like lovers this whole game.
They have maintained a townread on each other without much explanation.
They have supported each others case, and they have been active in pushing other cases when one them has been in he spotlight.
That reads like lovers to me. Lovers or scumpair.

Not raerae, who I've given a townread on?

[xeiron]

Actually, Sudgy and TwistedArcher has acted like lovers this whole game.
They have maintained a townread on each other without much explanation.
They have supported each others case, and they have been active in pushing other cases when one them has been in he spotlight.
That reads like lovers to me. Lovers or scumpair.

No, I'm not Sudgy's lover.

But regardless of if I am, WHY ARE YOU CALLING THIS OUT.

If anyone thinks they figure out who Sudgy's lover is, DO NOT CALL IT OUT. Why give scum more targets??

I am calling this out because I think Sudgy is lying.

[xeiron]

Actually, Sudgy and TwistedArcher has acted like lovers this whole game.
They have maintained a townread on each other without much explanation.
They have supported each others case, and they have been active in pushing other cases when one them has been in he spotlight.
That reads like lovers to me. Lovers or scumpair.

Not raerae, who I've given a townread on?

Raerae has voted on you.
A lover realationship should go both ways

[Twistedarcher]

Xeiron, when you said you had information that one of myself, Sudgy, and Eevee was scum...

Did you mean at least one, or exactly one?

[xeiron]

Xeiron, when you said you had information that one of myself, Sudgy, and Eevee was scum...

Did you mean at least one, or exactly one?

At least one.

[Twistedarcher]

Ugh. I REALLY want to see Xeiron's claim.

[xeiron]

Xeiron, when you said you had information that one of myself, Sudgy, and Eevee was scum...

Did you mean at least one, or exactly one?

At least one.

And all of this is based on speculation meaning I am not totally sure there must be sum among you, but I find it highly likely.

[Twistedarcher]

Xeiron, when you said you had information that one of myself, Sudgy, and Eevee was scum...

Did you mean at least one, or exactly one?

At least one.

And all of this is based on speculation meaning I am not totally sure there must be sum among you, but I find it highly likely.

I'm not really buying Xeiron's claim.

I agree with everything Nkirbit said in Post #682, about it just being so opportunistic to push the lynch towards Sudgy and not towards himself. Why not bring it up earlier when I had 3 votes on me?

I also think the bolded sentence above is Xeiron giving himself an out if his information turns out to be incorrect (and if he's scum, he knows whether or not it will be incorrect or not).

[EFHW]

Nkirbit - I agree on your observations of xeiron's seemingly arbitrary voting. 

I don't get why you are so strong on lio -

I still want to lynch Lio. It was scummy when he brought up efhws history for no reason. It was scummy when he made reads then couldn't explain them. It was scummy when he said we should choose between myself and TA. Why did that lynch die?

Others I would support a lynch of:  xeiron, raerae, mail mi

I don't find any of these things particularly scummy.  His lurking has been the scummiest thing I've seen from him.  Not explaining reads would be scummy except that was so early in the game. 

This is his post voting TA.  I don't see him asking anyone else to choose a side, and he gives reasons for his own decision. 

Vote: TwistedArcher


I read both of their cases, and while nkirbit's case has a bit of an OMGUS tone, I think that TA's case is really weak. Defending yourself isn't scummy. Ever.

EFHW, for the last time, did you ever read my case on nkirbit??? once again, this is NOT my case. I also called lio out on that being not my case and he agreed.

That seemed more like lio trying to get his vote down on me than him seeing my case as scummy. Do you agree?

Also, all the things nkirbit brought up are DEFINITELY scummy about lio. Why are you defending him here? Your defense of him is so flimsy..

--This post isn't even about your case on nkirbit.  I don't think I am saying anything about your case, just citing Lio's post for a different reason.  The question is why did he vote, not what was your case.
--Since I also found your case to be weak, I don't think his position is scummy, and if he wants to place a vote then he should.  I don't see why he would want to get a vote down on you unless he thought you were being scummy.  There was no particular pressure at the time for scum or anyone to make a vote that I was aware of. 
--I am not defending Lio per se, I am calling attention to a case that doesn't - IMO - hold water.  Pushing such cases is either scummy or bad for town and I find them excellent scum-tells.  It's how I id'd Lio as scum in Another Dinner Party, for example.
--You can't just tell me to think something is scummy.  I don't think nkirbit has a great case.  You have a different opinion, I guess.  This kind of unwarranted pressure is scummy, btw. 

[Twistedarcher]

Do you find it scummy that he voted me for my case that was actually Sudgy's case, but then when I called him out on it, instead of immediately switching to scummy, left his vote on me and made up a different reason?

Also, why do you not find the "TA or Nkirbit, and no one else" argument scummy?

I also have never felt that Lio's been lurking this game, really.

[EFHW]

Actually, Sudgy and TwistedArcher has acted like lovers this whole game.
They have maintained a townread on each other without much explanation.
They have supported each others case, and they have been active in pushing other cases when one them has been in he spotlight.
That reads like lovers to me. Lovers or scumpair.

Not raerae, who I've given a townread on?

Raerae has voted on you.
A lover realationship should go both ways

In this case, raerae's vote did seem to be intended to lynch, but I don't think we can always equate voting with intent to lynch.  I think votes are often used as communication and are withdrawn after more clarity has been achieved.

[EFHW]

I can't stay to answer your latest questions because I want to reread a bit to answer them.  I'll come back to them this afternoon or evening.

I may not be around at 8:30, but will be until 6 and after 9:30 for sure.

[nkirbit]

I would not support a Sudgy lynch.

Did you ever explain this?

I think so, but I'll do it again.  It has to do with similarities between my views on him here and my views on him in Mean Girls.  Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to give specific examples to explain why my reads were similar, but that's why I'm unwilling to support a Sudgy lynch at this time.

[xeiron]

Xeiron, when you said you had information that one of myself, Sudgy, and Eevee was scum...

Did you mean at least one, or exactly one?

At least one.

And all of this is based on speculation meaning I am not totally sure there must be sum among you, but I find it highly likely.

I'm not really buying Xeiron's claim.

I agree with everything Nkirbit said in Post #682, about it just being so opportunistic to push the lynch towards Sudgy and not towards himself. Why not bring it up earlier when I had 3 votes on me?

I also think the bolded sentence above is Xeiron giving himself an out if his information turns out to be incorrect (and if he's scum, he knows whether or not it will be incorrect or not).

If my information turns out to be incorrect, I will not need any out, as i have already lost (or won, if I am scum).
I am saying this so you will not accuse me of lying when I put forth my whole case in the future.

[Twistedarcher]

Can you just claim already?

You've said enough that you really should just put it all out there. Waiting to claim is just going to drag this game out even longer.

[nkirbit]

Xeiron, when you said you had information that one of myself, Sudgy, and Eevee was scum...

Did you mean at least one, or exactly one?

At least one.

And all of this is based on speculation meaning I am not totally sure there must be sum among you, but I find it highly likely.

I'm not really buying Xeiron's claim.

I agree with everything Nkirbit said in Post #682, about it just being so opportunistic to push the lynch towards Sudgy and not towards himself. Why not bring it up earlier when I had 3 votes on me?

I also think the bolded sentence above is Xeiron giving himself an out if his information turns out to be incorrect (and if he's scum, he knows whether or not it will be incorrect or not).

If my information turns out to be incorrect, I will not need any out, as i have already lost (or won, if I am scum).

My comprehension skills are failing here.  Can you clarify, Xeiron, or can someone else explain it?

[nkirbit]

Oh never mind, I get what your were trying to say.

[Twistedarcher]

Maybe that if he's incorrect, and me, sudgy and eevee are all town, then we'll have 3 mislynches and town will have already lost? Not sure but that's my interpretation.

It seems ridiculous that we'd let this information determine our next 3 lynches, though.

[nkirbit]

Nkirbit - I agree on your observations of xeiron's seemingly arbitrary voting. 

Why haven't you voted then?  What's your opposition to a Xeiron lynch, or at least getting him to L-1 to see if he will claim or not?

[nkirbit]

Maybe that if he's incorrect, and me, sudgy and eevee are all town, then we'll have 3 mislynches and town will have already lost? Not sure but that's my interpretation.

It seems ridiculous that we'd let this information determine our next 3 lynches, though.

Yes, that's what I figured as well, and yes, that's ridiculous.