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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2013, 12:54:55 pm »
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2013, 04:59:05 pm »
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The "you may pay $X" is very interesting tech to solve the $-X card problem with a lot of fan cards.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2013, 05:06:45 pm »
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$3 Gypsy Camp
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+1 coin token
 
So a strictly worse Fishing Village for the same price?
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #28 on: April 01, 2013, 05:08:34 pm »
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Well, coin tokens are not equivalent to +$$.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #29 on: April 01, 2013, 05:08:53 pm »
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Coin tokens can be saved for a later round, so they're probably quite a bit stronger than +$
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #30 on: April 01, 2013, 05:10:01 pm »
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I am massively surprised there weren't more than one fake listings today to be honest!

I thought about making one myself, all with images of my face on, but decided against it!
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #31 on: April 01, 2013, 06:19:04 pm »
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Coin tokens can be saved for a later round, so they're probably quite a bit stronger than +$
Yeah but I have to think sooner or later you run into the "early buys are more important than late buys" effect. Being able to save your coin token until the perfect moment ten turns later is great and all; it's better than not having the option. And I can appreciate that it gives you a certain level of Courtyard-esque control over your income, which might give rise to some new strategies. But ideally you wouldn't want it to sit around useless any longer than is really necessary, and there's an opportunity cost to doing so.

With that in mind, Gypsy Camp looks pretty bad next to FV. FV gives you two turns to use that coin effectively, which is enough to give you a pretty good chance you'll get your money's worth. Then on top of that it gives money on another turn, as well as the extra +Actions.

To put it another way, the coin tokens seem like they're about reliability or flexibility rather than power. When I look at FV I don't see a card that needs to trade a lot of power for a little additional reliability.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2013, 06:44:23 pm »
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Well, name one village that doesn't look bad next to fishing village?
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2013, 06:49:00 pm »
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I've got a mate who's dads girlfriend works at the coffee shop where Donald X handed the final designs over to Jay and she didn't know what to do with them so sat on them until an Ex-Boyfriend realised what they were after coming over for for a quick no stings attached session and he had a mate who posted on BGG that was interested, so they had a word with a mate who set them up a new user and posted them!
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2013, 07:29:46 pm »
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Well, name one village that doesn't look bad next to fishing village?

Yeah of course I won't argue with that.

Fishing Village comparisons aside though, Gypsy Camp still looks like a $2 card to me. Squire compares pretty well.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2013, 07:40:37 pm »
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Turnpike is worse than Duchy when you pay the extra $2.

Guild Master seems almost strictly worse than Rabble.

Other than that, the set looks pretty solid to me as far as fan-made sets go.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #36 on: April 01, 2013, 08:04:18 pm »
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Still no actual evidence that this isn't real. Just sayin'

Just because a new card isn't the best $3 card EVAR doesn't mean it isn't a card.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #37 on: April 01, 2013, 08:16:13 pm »
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Turnpike is worse than Duchy when you pay the extra $2.

Maybe. It does help you control whether the piles run out though, which would be important in a Turnpike rush or slog.

I guess I'm more concerned that Turnpike is worse than Gardens. Gardens is typically worth 3VP without the drawbacks. It's worth less if you thin your deck but I don't much see how Turnpike benefits from a thin deck.

Still no actual evidence that this isn't real. Just sayin'

Aside from being posted by user "A Fool"
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #38 on: April 01, 2013, 08:19:11 pm »
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I think the issue is that the card looks moe like the worst $3 card EVAR.

However, there are some other issues with this set that make it look like Donald did not design it.

Peons is probably way overpowered; it's not that hard to get those coin tokens once your engine gets rolling.
Also, bribe. That card is messy in my opinion. If you used it in a draw engine, you end up with either half your hands being useless or having a bunch of extra bribes in your deck. If you use it in big money, you probably don't have that many coin tokens, and when you do use bribe you end up with like $12, a wasted $3, and no +buy.
Wages is a bit close to Carpenter; both of the cards are less than thrilling.
Paying virtual coin would be a pain to track, but there have been difficult to track cards before.
As mentioned before, Guild Master is almost strictly worse than rabble, and nobody would ever overpay for turnpike unless duchy is gone, so that card is poorly designed.
Reeve discourages buying attacks, which is something that Donald abhors.
Also, come on. It's April Fool's Day.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #39 on: April 01, 2013, 08:41:25 pm »
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Well, name one village that doesn't look bad next to fishing village?

Bandit Camp?
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #40 on: April 01, 2013, 08:57:27 pm »
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I think the issue is that the card looks moe--



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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #41 on: April 01, 2013, 09:07:50 pm »
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Peons is probably way overpowered; it's not that hard to get those coin tokens once your engine gets rolling.
I disagree; in principle it looks close to Stables, and in practice substantially more work to set up. Unlike Stables it works with Copper trashing, but then I'd bet it also suffers more from lack of Copper trashing. You also don't get the Stables trick of redrawing all your Treasure at the end.

Also most games won't have coin tokens and then it gets really weak. A Peddler/Peons engine (once built) is functionally very close to a Village/Smithy engine, but it's more expensive to build, especially if you allow for the sake of simplicity that Peddler is a ~$4 card (and even if we admit that sometimes you'll wind up keeping your Peddler money). Oasis/Peons is pretty close to the cheaper Hamlet/Smithy if Hamlet didn't give +Buy; Market/Peons is analogous to WV/Smithy; etc.

Supplementing these engines with actual Villages would probably help; then you would have a highly reliable engine (and if each midgame Village you buy frees up a Peddler coin for spending, you can think of the Villages as underpriced Peddlers). Still seems expensive though.

FV/Peons looks just hilariously strong though.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2013, 09:11:49 pm »
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Still no actual evidence that this isn't real. Just sayin'

Just because a new card isn't the best $3 card EVAR doesn't mean it isn't a card.

Well, didn't the description say that Guilds was themed on professions?  This set isn't really.

Eh... maybe a little.

It still looks too simplistic for what's been promised.  And again, those issues don't suggest Donald X level testing.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2013, 09:19:19 pm »
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Well, name one village that doesn't look bad next to fishing village?

Wandering Minstrel can be better on a huge amount of boards, but it doesn't have village in the title, so I suppose it doesn't count.
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Re: Guilds leaked on BGG
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2013, 10:26:42 pm »
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Reeve discourages buying attacks, which is something that Donald abhors.

I agree with all of your assessments except this one. How does it discourage buying Attacks more than most other Reactions?
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