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[Watno]

http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/955273/guilds-full-card-list

Hope it's not fake, some of those cards look really cool.

[werothegreat]

Some of them look pretty stupid, and they misspelled "Reave."

[LastFootnote]

It's obviously fake.

[AdamH]

Obviously fake? This one isn't obvious to me

The cost distributions line up with previous spoilers. The acronyms don't, but that isn't a showstopper.

The mechanics don't seem too wacky. There's a curser, an attack, Kingdom treasure, Alt VP card.

What is the evidence that it's fake?

[Avin]

The acronyms shouldn't line up - theory said that the previously "released" acronyms were wrong. But the costs line up correctly.

[LastFootnote]

Obviously fake? This one isn't obvious to me

The cost distributions line up with previous spoilers. The acronyms don't, but that isn't a showstopper.

The mechanics don't seem too wacky. There's a curser, an attack, Kingdom treasure, Alt VP card.

What is the evidence that it's fake?

I won't go through every card, but here's a prime example.

$4 Turnpike
Victory
3 VP
___
When you gain this, you may pay $2.
If you don’t, place this card on top of your deck.

So it's a Duchy for $6 or a Duchy-on-your-deck for $4? That's a far cry from interesting. No way that made it through playtesting.

Also, the user who posted it is named "A Fool".

EDIT: Also, there's no way these cards comprise what is supposed to be the most complex of the expansions.

[Watno]

Some of them look pretty stupid, and they misspelled "Reave."

I don't think Reeve is misspelled. It's some kind of medieval sheriff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reeve (and it also appears in Caylus)
Which cards do you think look stupid?
I thought Bribe was a bit crazy at first, but after thinking about it, it doesn't seem that strong. since you can't pay with treasures, you ever need to have some coin tokens from previous rounds, or played cards to get +$3. Mostly that's gonna be terminals, so you also need 2 villages to use that. And to get that, you probably need another drawer before. In general, all those paying effects seem to work quite a lot better in engines.

[Jimmmmm]

I certainly hope they're not the real ones. None of them excite me at all. I'm sure if they are I'll eat my words, but Donald's favourite expansion? This is just a bunch of rehashed ideas with the coin tokens/pay for more mechanics added on. Also, Guild Master is just an almost strictly worse Rabble (okay, so it'll put their Coppers and Ruins back, but meh).

[AdamH]

Obviously fake? This one isn't obvious to me

The cost distributions line up with previous spoilers. The acronyms don't, but that isn't a showstopper.

The mechanics don't seem too wacky. There's a curser, an attack, Kingdom treasure, Alt VP card.

What is the evidence that it's fake?

I won't go through every card, but here's a prime example.

$4 Turnpike
Victory
3 VP
___
When you gain this, you may pay $2.
If you don’t, place this card on top of your deck.

So it's a Duchy for $6 or a Duchy-on-your-deck for $4? That's a far cry from interesting. No way that made it through playtesting.

Also, the user who posted it is named "A Fool".

EDIT: Also, there's no way these cards comprise what is supposed to be the most complex of the expansions.

I swear I'm not trying to be a troll.

I think the Alt VP card is interesting. It breaks the rule of when you buy Duchies in BM games, since usually you want to start with them once you think you'll shuffle less than twice before the game ends. What's a more interesting VP card? How does it compare to Farmland?

The name is fake, obviously. It corresponds to the day of the year on which it was posted.

Keeping track of virtual dollars and spending them during your action phase is certainly complicated to do IRL.

The only evidence I see is "I don't like these cards" and "It's April Fool's Day" which is not enough for me to go on record saying "I HATE THIS SET" where Donald X. could read it and be emotionally hurt by it. The possibility of doing that is not something I'm willing to entertain yet.

[LastFootnote]

I think the Alt VP card is interesting. It breaks the rule of when you buy Duchies in BM games, since usually you want to start with them once you think you'll shuffle less than twice before the game ends. What's a more interesting VP card? How does it compare to Farmland?

Yeah, the card is academically interesting to Dominion fanatics. That kind of card does not pass muster. Cards that make it into sets are meant to be fun for your average player as well.

Also, you can pay $2 more to just have it be a Duchy? That option makes the card less interesting.

The name is fake, obviously. It corresponds to the day of the year on which it was posted.

Riiiiiiiiight. 

Keeping track of virtual dollars and spending them during your action phase is certainly complicated to do IRL.

That's just like, your opinion, man.

The only evidence I see is "I don't like these cards" and "It's April Fool's Day" which is not enough for me to go on record saying "I HATE THIS SET" where Donald X. could read it and be emotionally hurt by it. The possibility of doing that is not something I'm willing to entertain yet.

I believe that you're not trolling, but I'm 100% confident that these aren't the real cards. Resale is kind of cool. We might see a card like that in the set.

[philosophyguy]

I think the Turnpike mechanic is interesting, though the card itself isn't balanced. It might work as a 2VP card for $3, or pay $4 to not have it on top of your deck.

[AdamH]

I think the Alt VP card is interesting. It breaks the rule of when you buy Duchies in BM games, since usually you want to start with them once you think you'll shuffle less than twice before the game ends. What's a more interesting VP card? How does it compare to Farmland?

Yeah, the card is academically interesting to Dominion fanatics. That kind of card does not pass muster. Cards that make it into sets are meant to be fun for your average player as well.

Also, you can pay $2 more to just have it be a Duchy? That option makes the card less interesting.

The name is fake, obviously. It corresponds to the day of the year on which it was posted.

Riiiiiiiiight. 

Keeping track of virtual dollars and spending them during your action phase is certainly complicated to do IRL.

That's just like, your opinion, man.

The only evidence I see is "I don't like these cards" and "It's April Fool's Day" which is not enough for me to go on record saying "I HATE THIS SET" where Donald X. could read it and be emotionally hurt by it. The possibility of doing that is not something I'm willing to entertain yet.

I believe that you're not trolling, but I'm 100% confident that these aren't the real cards. Resale is kind of cool. We might see a card like that in the set.

Understood, just keep in mind that everything you've used is your opinion as well. I'm going to wait for something conclusive.

[Kirian]

The only evidence I see is "I don't like these cards" and "It's April Fool's Day"...

That's the only evidence you need that it's fake.  Everything on the internet is fake today, unless specifically called out otherwise, and even then you really can't trust it.

which is not enough for me to go on record saying "I HATE THIS SET" where Donald X. could read it and be emotionally hurt by it. The possibility of doing that is not something I'm willing to entertain yet.

I don't think DXV is going to be hurt if you say you hate the expansion.  But obviously a bunch of random "leaks" posted by "A Fool" isn't enough for anyone to say whether they like or dislike something which is fake.

Seriously.

[werothegreat]

One of the cards allows you to pay $1 extra for +1 Action.  In your buy phase.

[AdamH]

One of the cards allows you to pay $1 extra for +1 Action.  In your buy phase.

Are you talking about Peons? That's not how I believe that card works. You have to pay a virtual coin or a coin token to get the action when you play it, during your action phase.

[Watno]

That's also explained below.

[werothegreat]

That's also explained below.

Alright, then why would Peons allow you to use coin tokens, but not give you them itself?

[AdamH]

That's also explained below.

Alright, then why would Peons allow you to use coin tokens, but not give you them itself?

You can also use a virtual coin. Peddler then Peons would allow you to use the dollar that Peddler gave you for the action.

[werothegreat]

That's also explained below.

Alright, then why would Peons allow you to use coin tokens, but not give you them itself?

You can also use a virtual coin. Peddler then Peons would allow you to use the dollar that Peddler gave you for the action.

That's still ridiculous.

[Tables]

Honestly, guys, stop saying this is fake. I know the guy who got these cards, he works at the company RGG outsources card production to, so they're accurate. There might be a few inaccuracies because he was working from memory, not from pictures, but whatever.

Obviously this is all a total lie

[Stealth Tomato]

Oh hi April 1. Also, Journeyman is arguably stronger than Haggler for $3, $2 Stockpile is arguably stronger than $4 Carpenter, Bribe is obviously broken in any kingdom with coin tokens and useless otherwise, Peons is nearly strictly better than Stables, and Resale is an uninteresting modification of Salvager.

[Watno]

Are you sure you understand how paying works? It deosn't allow you to play treasures in your action phase. Journeyman seems rather week to me btw, certainly not stronger than Haggler. You have to pay $2 every time you want to gain a cheaper card.

[Watno]

Honestly, guys, stop saying this is fake. I know the guy who got these cards, he works at the company RGG outsources card production to, so they're accurate. There might be a few inaccuracies because he was working from memory, not from pictures, but whatever.

Obviously this is all a total lie

Is it CC?

[Cuzz]

THEY'RE STILL REAL TO ME, DAMNIT!

[Awaclus]

they're accurate. There might be a few inaccuracies

[Tables]

they're accurate. There might be a few inaccuracies

[Axxle]

The "you may pay $X" is very interesting tech to solve the $-X card problem with a lot of fan cards.

[BiggerOil]

$3 Gypsy Camp
Action
+2 actions
+1 coin token
 
So a strictly worse Fishing Village for the same price?

[heron]

Well, coin tokens are not equivalent to +$$.

[Watno]

Coin tokens can be saved for a later round, so they're probably quite a bit stronger than +$

[Ozle]

I am massively surprised there weren't more than one fake listings today to be honest!

I thought about making one myself, all with images of my face on, but decided against it!

[RD]

Coin tokens can be saved for a later round, so they're probably quite a bit stronger than +$

Yeah but I have to think sooner or later you run into the "early buys are more important than late buys" effect. Being able to save your coin token until the perfect moment ten turns later is great and all; it's better than not having the option. And I can appreciate that it gives you a certain level of Courtyard-esque control over your income, which might give rise to some new strategies. But ideally you wouldn't want it to sit around useless any longer than is really necessary, and there's an opportunity cost to doing so.

With that in mind, Gypsy Camp looks pretty bad next to FV. FV gives you two turns to use that coin effectively, which is enough to give you a pretty good chance you'll get your money's worth. Then on top of that it gives money on another turn, as well as the extra +Actions.

To put it another way, the coin tokens seem like they're about reliability or flexibility rather than power. When I look at FV I don't see a card that needs to trade a lot of power for a little additional reliability.

[Watno]

Well, name one village that doesn't look bad next to fishing village?

[Ozle]

I've got a mate who's dads girlfriend works at the coffee shop where Donald X handed the final designs over to Jay and she didn't know what to do with them so sat on them until an Ex-Boyfriend realised what they were after coming over for for a quick no stings attached session and he had a mate who posted on BGG that was interested, so they had a word with a mate who set them up a new user and posted them!

[RD]

Well, name one village that doesn't look bad next to fishing village?

Yeah of course I won't argue with that.

Fishing Village comparisons aside though, Gypsy Camp still looks like a $2 card to me. Squire compares pretty well.

[eHalcyon]

Turnpike is worse than Duchy when you pay the extra $2.

Guild Master seems almost strictly worse than Rabble.

Other than that, the set looks pretty solid to me as far as fan-made sets go.

[AdamH]

Still no actual evidence that this isn't real. Just sayin'

Just because a new card isn't the best $3 card EVAR doesn't mean it isn't a card.

[RD]

Turnpike is worse than Duchy when you pay the extra $2.

Maybe. It does help you control whether the piles run out though, which would be important in a Turnpike rush or slog.

I guess I'm more concerned that Turnpike is worse than Gardens. Gardens is typically worth 3VP without the drawbacks. It's worth less if you thin your deck but I don't much see how Turnpike benefits from a thin deck.

Still no actual evidence that this isn't real. Just sayin'

Aside from being posted by user "A Fool"

[heron]

I think the issue is that the card looks moe like the worst $3 card EVAR.

However, there are some other issues with this set that make it look like Donald did not design it.

Peons is probably way overpowered; it's not that hard to get those coin tokens once your engine gets rolling.
Also, bribe. That card is messy in my opinion. If you used it in a draw engine, you end up with either half your hands being useless or having a bunch of extra bribes in your deck. If you use it in big money, you probably don't have that many coin tokens, and when you do use bribe you end up with like $12, a wasted $3, and no +buy.
Wages is a bit close to Carpenter; both of the cards are less than thrilling.
Paying virtual coin would be a pain to track, but there have been difficult to track cards before.
As mentioned before, Guild Master is almost strictly worse than rabble, and nobody would ever overpay for turnpike unless duchy is gone, so that card is poorly designed.
Reeve discourages buying attacks, which is something that Donald abhors.
Also, come on. It's April Fool's Day.

[Kirian]

Well, name one village that doesn't look bad next to fishing village?

Bandit Camp?

[Awaclus]

I think the issue is that the card looks moe--

[RD]

Peons is probably way overpowered; it's not that hard to get those coin tokens once your engine gets rolling.

I disagree; in principle it looks close to Stables, and in practice substantially more work to set up. Unlike Stables it works with Copper trashing, but then I'd bet it also suffers more from lack of Copper trashing. You also don't get the Stables trick of redrawing all your Treasure at the end.

Also most games won't have coin tokens and then it gets really weak. A Peddler/Peons engine (once built) is functionally very close to a Village/Smithy engine, but it's more expensive to build, especially if you allow for the sake of simplicity that Peddler is a ~$4 card (and even if we admit that sometimes you'll wind up keeping your Peddler money). Oasis/Peons is pretty close to the cheaper Hamlet/Smithy if Hamlet didn't give +Buy; Market/Peons is analogous to WV/Smithy; etc.

Supplementing these engines with actual Villages would probably help; then you would have a highly reliable engine (and if each midgame Village you buy frees up a Peddler coin for spending, you can think of the Villages as underpriced Peddlers). Still seems expensive though.

FV/Peons looks just hilariously strong though.

[eHalcyon]

Still no actual evidence that this isn't real. Just sayin'

Just because a new card isn't the best $3 card EVAR doesn't mean it isn't a card.

Well, didn't the description say that Guilds was themed on professions?  This set isn't really.

Eh... maybe a little.

It still looks too simplistic for what's been promised.  And again, those issues don't suggest Donald X level testing.

[KingZog3]

Well, name one village that doesn't look bad next to fishing village?

Wandering Minstrel can be better on a huge amount of boards, but it doesn't have village in the title, so I suppose it doesn't count.

[LastFootnote]

Reeve discourages buying attacks, which is something that Donald abhors.

I agree with all of your assessments except this one. How does it discourage buying Attacks more than most other Reactions?