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[Kahryl]

Something that happened today in four-player:

Myridon's turn 8
Myridon melds Printing Press 4.
Myridon applies the dogma of Printing Press 4.
...[Bulb] effects are shared with Kahryl.
...You return nothing.
...Myridon has no card to return.
...Myridon splays his blue cards right.

Myridon got no draw bonus for sharing. The rules make no mention of the dogma effect actually having to do something to the person sharing it, to trigger the bonus. Is isotropic correct, or is this bug?

[ednever]

Check again.

There has to be some change in the game state for you to get the sharing bonus.
The most extreme example of this was when I had no cards in my score pile. Someone shared one of those benefits that said, add an 8 to your score pile, and then return a card from your score pile.

I moved an 8 from the top to the bottom of the pile - and he got a sharing bonus!

Ed

[Kahryl]

Check again.

There has to be some change in the game state for you to get the sharing bonus.
The most extreme example of this was when I had no cards in my score pile. Someone shared one of those benefits that said, add an 8 to your score pile, and then return a card from your score pile.

I moved an 8 from the top to the bottom of the pile - and he got a sharing bonus!

Ed

If the 8 pile had only 1 card in it when you drew and put it back, would he have gotten the bonus?

[Kirian]

Check again.

There has to be some change in the game state for you to get the sharing bonus.
The most extreme example of this was when I had no cards in my score pile. Someone shared one of those benefits that said, add an 8 to your score pile, and then return a card from your score pile.

I moved an 8 from the top to the bottom of the pile - and he got a sharing bonus!

Ed

If the 8 pile had only 1 card in it when you drew and put it back, would he have gotten the bonus?

Yes.  There was a change, though temporary, in the game state.

[popsofctown]

You mean a permanent change in the game state.

The top card of the 8 deck moved to the bottom.

[Kirian]

You mean a permanent change in the game state.

The top card of the 8 deck moved to the bottom.

If there was only one card in the 8 deck, the top and bottom cards are the same.

[ednever]

I also gained an advantage. I now know what that card is.

Ed

[Thisisnotasmile]

And if there's only one 8, then the active player scores a 9 instead of an 8. That would not have happened without the share => sharing bonus.

[WinterSpartan]

And if there's only one 8, then the active player scores a 9 instead of an 8. That would not have happened without the share => sharing bonus.

Well, probably not - if "score an 8, then return a card from your score pile" is all one action (such as with Evolution), both players will score the same 8.

[Thisisnotasmile]

Er... yeah. I thought it was 2 separate dogmas. Nothing to see here.

[popsofctown]

You mean a permanent change in the game state.

The top card of the 8 deck moved to the bottom.

If there was only one card in the 8 deck, the top and bottom cards are the same.

That's what I get for skimming threads.