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[HiveMindEmulator]

If you're watching the replay in the ingame client, you can do all that quite easily.
Live it's harder, but one of the streams actually did it during the qualifiers by recording their own stream and replaying the relevant parts. It's quite a lot of work, but they might do it again for the main event.

Yeah, live is what I'm talking about. Dota is not really a viewer-friendly esport. So I think it's important for whoever is broadcasting it to put a lot of work into the production. Back when I played dota, I always preferred to watch replays compared to vods, because then you can see what you want to, and slow/pause at big fights (even though you couldn't rewind back then, if you anticipate, you just watch it slow). With live broadcast, the production is really important.

[Watno]

Now the awesome part has started.

[theory]

It was nice/smart/savvy/respectful of Riot to suspend their LCS for this week.  Unlike, say, Blizzard >_>

[mcmcsalot]

Alright, how do I watch this thing?

[Watno]

It was nice/smart/savvy/respectful of Riot to suspend their LCS for this week.  Unlike, say, Blizzard >_>

I'd go with smart.

@mcmcsalot: Go here: http://www.dota2.com/international/mainevent/watch/ (once it's live in 6 hours).
If you want to watch VODs, go to schedule tab, select a day in the past, and click view at a game of your choice.
Assuming you have Dota 2 installed, you can also watch the games with the client, but you'll miss out on the pre- and postgame discussion, player cams and interviews.

[Watno]

Now would be a good time to tune in. Great game just happened.

[HiveMindEmulator]

Now would be a good time to tune in. Great game just happened.

Ooh, I think I watched this one. Alliance vs LGD? Great for being close, well executed, and really highlighting European (kill towers) vs Chinese (don't die while you get one hero really farmed) style. On the downside, made my "lunch break" take forever...

[Watno]

Yeah, that one was it. The ending was far from perfect, but very entertaining.
Be happy you didn't see game two of ig vs dk, that was the most boring game ever, and it took 98 minutes.
Some more awesome games coming up now.

[Saucery]

Last game of the grand finals was heart attack inducing; highly recommend. The production looks great too.

VODS: http://www.youtube.com/user/dota2/videos
Final Game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8HBr1EGX1I

[Watno]

I stayed up till 6 am for that. Absolutely worth it.

[Jorbles]

So I started playing dota 2 a couple weeks ago at least partially because this thread made it sound interesting. I will check in, in a month or two, when I will lose to you guys in a way that won't embarrass me. 

[Watno]

You'd be amazed by how bad one can be at this game after having played it thousands of times.

[mcmcsalot]

So I started playing dota 2 a couple weeks ago at least partially because this thread made it sound interesting. I will check in, in a month or two, when I will lose to you guys in a way that won't embarrass me. 

Play league it's easier to learn!

[Jorbles]

So I started playing dota 2 a couple weeks ago at least partially because this thread made it sound interesting. I will check in, in a month or two, when I will lose to you guys in a way that won't embarrass me. 

Play league it's easier to learn!

I don't necessarily want what's easier, I'll admit the complexity is part of what draws me to it.

[() | (_) ^/]

Last game of the grand finals was heart attack inducing; highly recommend. The production looks great too.

VODS: http://www.youtube.com/user/dota2/videos
Final Game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8HBr1EGX1I

I just watched the final game.

I have literally no knowledge of DotA at all.

Obviously they kept using terms that I don't understand.  Constantly.

But I stuck it out, and my hair was standing on end during the final pushes, especially when they were attacking each others' bases.  I think a big part of that was the casters -- superb job as far as I can tell.

Pretty cool.  Might try DotA out now.

[theory]

Last game of the grand finals was heart attack inducing; highly recommend. The production looks great too.

VODS: http://www.youtube.com/user/dota2/videos
Final Game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8HBr1EGX1I

I just watched the final game.

I have literally no knowledge of DotA at all.

Obviously they kept using terms that I don't understand.  Constantly.

But I stuck it out, and my hair was standing on end during the final pushes, especially when they were attacking each others' bases.  I think a big part of that was the casters -- superb job as far as I can tell.

Pretty cool.  Might try DotA out now.

I got into League for the same reason   Especially this 3v5 moment from the All-Star tournament earlier this year.

So I started playing dota 2 a couple weeks ago at least partially because this thread made it sound interesting. I will check in, in a month or two, when I will lose to you guys in a way that won't embarrass me. 

Play league it's easier to learn!

I don't necessarily want what's easier, I'll admit the complexity is part of what draws me to it.

I think what mcmcsalot means is that it's easier to get to the interesting complexity in LoL than in Dota.  By that I mean, it is easier to get through the tactics (mechanical skills, turning speeds, creep stacking, etc.) to get to the strategy (counterpicking, team compositions).  It's still very difficult to master the mechanics (no one in the world plays Lee Sin like Insec or Zed like Faker), but you get to a more interesting part of the skill curve faster.

[Watno]

I disagree, theory. You don't need to master tactics before you can use strategy. Why would you need to know about turnrates to think about which heroes would combine well, for example?
I don't know much about turnrates myself (pretty much only that Batrider's sticky napalm slows it), and I don't believe that contributes much to me being terrible at this game.

Also, I'd say creep stacking is rather a part of strategy than of tactics.

Especially after already having played Dota for several weeks, the setback from starting anew would make switching ridiculous.

[HiveMindEmulator]

I think theory's point about turn rate is that it's different for different heroes in dota, but like the same for everyone in LoL (I think). So there's not really anything know about turn rate and attack animation in LoL. You just pick up a new champion and use the different spells rather than also having to get used to their animation timings. In dota, you may struggle a bit last-hitting and denying the first time you use a new hero. Turn rate in particular isn't that noticeable a lot of the time except that SF (and apparently bat now) turns really fast. But animation matters a lot.

[Watno]

You don't need perfect lasthitting for strategy either.

[() | (_) ^/]

Wow. Played the tutorial. Looked up copious amounts of online material about how to get into this game. (Lots of Purge's stuff mostly.)

Played against the bots.  Always won except when I put them on hard mode.

Just played my first game against human beings.  Pretty crazy!  One of the other noobs like me picked the one and only hero that I know before I got to it, so I just randomed and had fun.  Went 7/6/15 (k/d/a) while trying to be the middle carry.  I didn't do well in the early game.

[Watno]

So, did you win? More importantly, was it fun?
What heroes have you been playing?
I really need to get back to my computer that's able to run dota 2

[Jorbles]

I've been trying to learn heroes so I've been practicing a lot against bots with randoms. I tried playing Death Prophet for awhile against humans, and lost a bunch.

I then tried playing Timbersaw and enjoyed that a lot more. I've played a few games with that character now. I even won a game, admittedly it was against a team who had absolutely no idea what they were doing. They would run at us and autoattack one at a time. At the end of the 22 minute game we had 70+ kills. It is nice to know there's worse players out there though.

[() | (_) ^/]

So, did you win? More importantly, was it fun?
What heroes have you been playing?
I really need to get back to my computer that's able to run dota 2

I did win -- now I've played 6 games versus humans, and I've been on the winning team with 4 of them.

In the pub games, I have only played Witch Doctor and Viper.  I'm open to learning others, but I'd hate to be in a real game with a hero I know nothing about.  So I'm playing medium level bots and randoming.  Pretty crazy.

I really right now know absolutely nothing about the strategy of picking for team composition.  There is so much to learn, I'm kinda overwhelmed.

[Jorbles]

So I'm necroing this thread to let people who were on it know that I'm still playing. PM me if you want to add my steam profile. I find the worst part of the game is playing with a bunch of randoms. It'd be nice to have a few more people listed on my profile so I can minimize the people I play with who just shout "LOL NOOOB EXPLETIVE EXPLETIVE" or only speak Russian.

[() | (_) ^/]

Actually, I'll do the same... Except I'll just post my steam profile. 
http://steamcommunity.com/id/p4ddy0d00rs Add me for dota goodness.

I would rather not just play solo games -- a lot of my games recently have been against 4 or 5 person parties, and it's frustrating because they are obviously more coordinated.

That being said, I really really love playing dota.  Seriously thanks to those who encouraged me to try it.