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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1100 on: January 15, 2015, 11:40:43 am »
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You gain the same Prize twice in a game. Your opponent never gains or in any way receives a Prize. How?

I don't think this is technically possible. You can't gain it from the Prize pile because nothing returns stuff into the Prize pile, you can't gain it from the supply because a Prize can't be returned into the supply, and you can't gain it from the trash because nothing gains cards costing $0 from the trash. Am I missing something here?

You can attempt to gain another copy of a Prize if you get Jestered, though.

We did this one already.  Thief can trash and gain Diadem. 

Ignore me I fail at reading.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1101 on: January 15, 2015, 11:42:24 am »
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Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1102 on: January 15, 2015, 11:43:50 am »
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Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?

Yes.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1103 on: January 15, 2015, 11:46:12 am »
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Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?

Or they can possess you and trash any prize, for example with forager.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1104 on: January 15, 2015, 11:48:43 am »
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Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?

Yes.
I though puzzles that involve Possession in the answer are off limits.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1105 on: January 15, 2015, 11:49:09 am »
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Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?

Or they can possess you and trash any prize, for example with forager.

Hmm.. you don't regain the cards set aside via trashing with Possession; they're just returned to your deck.  I don't think it counts.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1106 on: January 15, 2015, 11:49:48 am »
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Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?

Yes.
I though puzzles that involve Possession in the answer are off limits.

Just Possess your opponent and make him convince himself that they are not off limits.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1107 on: January 15, 2015, 11:50:49 am »
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You gain the same Prize twice in a game. Your opponent never gains or in any way receives a Prize. How?
Could this be accomplished with Trader?  I.e. you gain a Prize, reveal Trader, gain silver instead, then gain the same Prize later.  I don't think this works though because you gain a silver *instead* of gaining a Prize -- so the first "gain" wasn't really a gain.

Right, Trader triggers on "would gain", so you never gain the original target.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1108 on: January 15, 2015, 12:08:26 pm »
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I though puzzles that involve Possession in the answer are off limits.

I didn't even realize that the (almost 2-year-old) OP had that in the "Default" rules. I would suggest that it's better left up to the presenter of each puzzle to rule out things like Possession if they choose. As it is, if you say "Default rules don't apply to this one" then it pretty much gives away the answer.

Or they can possess you and trash any prize, for example with forager.

Returning to your deck is not gaining. Thief and Diadem is the only way it can happen.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1109 on: January 15, 2015, 12:16:24 pm »
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I don't read the OP as saying that Possession can't be involved in any answers, just clarifying the meaning of a single, normal turn for questions that call for it.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1110 on: January 15, 2015, 12:33:37 pm »
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I don't read the OP as saying that Possession can't be involved in any answers, just clarifying the meaning of a single, normal turn for questions that call for it.

Good point - it says "Normal Turn = No durations, Possession or Outpost turn". It doesn't say that answers shouldn't involve Possession.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1111 on: January 15, 2015, 02:32:15 pm »
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My deck+hand consists of the following, and nothing else:
A Duchies
B Dukes
C Gardens
D Silk Roads
E Estates
F Coppers

Assume (A+B+C+D+E+F) is a multiple of 10 and (A+B+C+D+E) is a multiple of 4 for easy Gardens/Silk Road math.
Gaining 1 of which card -- Duchy, Duke, Gardens, Silk Road, Estate, or Copper -- would give you the most +VP (assume there is at least 1 of that card left for you to gain)?
No shennanigans are in play (Possession, gaining 10 curses from Embargo tokens, etc.) -- just plain, old-fashioned card gaining.
Answer would be in terms of A, B, C, D, E, and F.

Bonus: come up with a similar puzzle that involves Vineyards, action cards, Feodums, silvers, etc.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2015, 02:43:24 pm by Dingan »
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1112 on: January 15, 2015, 05:32:41 pm »
+1

Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?

Yes.
You fail to gain the Diadem because it's set aside already. Thief loses track of it.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1113 on: January 15, 2015, 05:37:14 pm »
+2

Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?

Yes.
You fail to gain the Diadem because it's set aside already. Thief loses track of it.

Hm? The person whose Diadem is getting trashed isn't the person being Possessed.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1114 on: January 15, 2015, 05:53:20 pm »
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Pass it with Masquerade and let Thief steal it after that.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1115 on: January 15, 2015, 05:55:51 pm »
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Pass it with Masquerade and let Thief steal it after that.

Your opponent never gains or in any way receives a Prize.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1116 on: January 15, 2015, 06:04:32 pm »
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Pass it with Masquerade and let Thief steal it after that.

Your opponent never gains or in any way receives a Prize.

Drat! Should have read more carefully (or at all)...
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1117 on: January 15, 2015, 06:06:21 pm »
+2

Can't you just Possession your opponent and Thief yourself?

Yes.
You fail to gain the Diadem because it's set aside already. Thief loses track of it.

Hm? The person whose Diadem is getting trashed isn't the person being Possessed.
Oh I see. Carry on.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1118 on: January 16, 2015, 01:57:18 am »
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I don't read the OP as saying that Possession can't be involved in any answers, just clarifying the meaning of a single, normal turn for questions that call for it.
OP here!

That was indeed my intention.

Most early easy puzzles were based on 2 player games caring about numbers of turns.
As such, I opted for a default "regular turn = no Possession" rule to make it clear that a normal turn was just a normal turn without shenanigans.

But I didn't mean to rule out Possession for all puzzles.

Also, those are guidelines, not rules. You can use spoilers, or not.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1119 on: January 16, 2015, 03:34:01 am »
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My deck+hand consists of the following, and nothing else:
A Duchies
B Dukes
C Gardens
D Silk Roads
E Estates
F Coppers

Assume (A+B+C+D+E+F) is a multiple of 10 and (A+B+C+D+E) is a multiple of 4 for easy Gardens/Silk Road math.
Gaining 1 of which card -- Duchy, Duke, Gardens, Silk Road, Estate, or Copper -- would give you the most +VP (assume there is at least 1 of that card left for you to gain)?
No shennanigans are in play (Possession, gaining 10 curses from Embargo tokens, etc.) -- just plain, old-fashioned card gaining.
Answer would be in terms of A, B, C, D, E, and F.

Bonus: come up with a similar puzzle that involves Vineyards, action cards, Feodums, silvers, etc.

A- Duchy gives  you 3Pt+11+ from the 11 Dukes you bump up. so 14Pt.
D- Silk Road gives you 14 also if you opponents dont pass you their estates via Masquerade or stuff. (11Duchys+11Dukes+11Gardens+11Silkroads+14Estates = 58 but since it has to be a multiple of 4 its 56)
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1120 on: January 16, 2015, 11:15:00 am »
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My deck+hand consists of the following, and nothing else:
A Duchies
B Dukes
C Gardens
D Silk Roads
E Estates
F Coppers

Assume (A+B+C+D+E+F) is a multiple of 10 and (A+B+C+D+E) is a multiple of 4 for easy Gardens/Silk Road math.
Gaining 1 of which card -- Duchy, Duke, Gardens, Silk Road, Estate, or Copper -- would give you the most +VP (assume there is at least 1 of that card left for you to gain)?
No shennanigans are in play (Possession, gaining 10 curses from Embargo tokens, etc.) -- just plain, old-fashioned card gaining.
Answer would be in terms of A, B, C, D, E, and F.

Bonus: come up with a similar puzzle that involves Vineyards, action cards, Feodums, silvers, etc.

A- Duchy gives  you 3Pt+11+ from the 11 Dukes you bump up. so 14Pt.
D- Silk Road gives you 14 also if you opponents dont pass you their estates via Masquerade or stuff. (11Duchys+11Dukes+11Gardens+11Silkroads+14Estates = 58 but since it has to be a multiple of 4 its 56)

Buying Duchy can increment all three of Dukes, Gardens and Silk Roads. I guess you can have 12 of two piles and 11 of the other so, 3 + 12 + 12 + 11 for 38.

You can also buy a Silk Roads that increments 12 Gardens, 11 Silk Roads and is worth 15 points, for 15 + 12 + 11 = 38 again.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2015, 12:51:04 pm by Mic Qsenoch »
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1121 on: January 16, 2015, 01:08:52 pm »
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The puzzle says that you are at those multiples from the start, so one card couldn't bump up Gardens or Silk Road.
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1122 on: January 16, 2015, 01:24:26 pm »
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The puzzle says that you are at those multiples from the start, so one card couldn't bump up Gardens or Silk Road.
Oh, you're right of course. That's boring!
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1123 on: January 17, 2015, 09:43:26 pm »
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Here's one:

At the start of my turn, there are 10 Ill-Gotten Gains and 10 Curses in the supply.  At the end of my turn, both piles are empty.  I used only one buy (EDIT: and trashed nothing).  How did I do it?
« Last Edit: January 17, 2015, 09:45:05 pm by werothegreat »
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Re: Easy Puzzles
« Reply #1124 on: January 17, 2015, 09:46:30 pm »
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Here's one:

At the start of my turn, there are 10 Ill-Gotten Gains and 10 Curses in the supply.  At the end of my turn, both piles are empty.  I used only one buy (EDIT: and trashed nothing).  How did I do it?

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