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Inventor: Action Card
« on: March 04, 2013, 08:36:35 pm »
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Since Sir Peebles has a great eagle eye, here's another card for your perusal.

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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2013, 08:49:01 pm »
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"Only one may be played" per turn has issues with cards like Golem.

You don't need to say "Play your turn."  What does that even mean?  Your turn doesn't end until after the clean-up phase.  And when during your cleanup phase do you return the cards?  How do you keep track of the cards gained this way?  I might have discarded one of my gained cards and triggered a reshuffle.  Now it's just in my deck somewhere.  You may want to take a look at Band of Misfits and how it's worded, because Donald X. is very careful about how he tries to achieve something similar to what this card does.

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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2013, 08:55:36 pm »
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I'm obviously new to this, and I appreciate your great advice.
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2013, 11:07:47 pm »
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I'm obviously new to this, and I appreciate your great advice.
The start with text-only versions so it's easier for us to comment on specific mechanics. You should also read up on other cards and why things do or do not work.
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 01:32:07 pm »
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I think you instead want something like:

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Trash a card from your hand. Discard a card.

If you did trash a card and discard a card, do this twice: gain an Action card from the Supply and play it. At the beginning of your cleanup phase, return any cards thus gained to the Supply.

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This still has some weird interactions, though. (like, I *think* that with Trader, you'd just get two Silvers, and you would indeed get to keep them.)
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 01:43:26 pm »
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I think you instead want something like:

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Trash a card from your hand. Discard a card.

If you did trash a card and discard a card, do this twice: gain an Action card from the Supply and play it. At the beginning of your cleanup phase, return any cards thus gained to the Supply.

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This still has some weird interactions, though. (like, I *think* that with Trader, you'd just get two Silvers, and you would indeed get to keep them.)

You can get rid of "Gain" all together. Simply "play an Action card from the Supply. At the beginning of your cleanup phase, return this card to the supply."
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2013, 10:33:25 pm »
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I cant see it :(
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 11:12:18 pm »
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I cant see it :(

Be careful what you wish for.

Inventor
Types: Action
Cost: $6
+1 Action. Trash a card. Discard a card. When you do, gain 2 Action cards from any supply pile other than Inventor and put them into your hand. Play your turn. During clean-up phrase, return both Action cards to supply piles. Only 1 Inventor may be played per turn.
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2013, 11:33:22 pm »
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I cant see it :(

Be careful what you wish for.

Inventor
Types: Action
Cost: $6
+1 Action. Trash a card. Discard a card. When you do, gain 2 Action cards from any supply pile other than Inventor and put them into your hand. Play your turn. During clean-up phrase, return both Action cards to supply piles. Only 1 Inventor may be played per turn.
Iventor, trash a Catacombs, drawing KC, Bridge, Bridge, discard X...
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2013, 11:35:17 pm »
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I cant see it :(

Be careful what you wish for.

Inventor
Types: Action
Cost: $6
+1 Action. Trash a card. Discard a card. When you do, gain 2 Action cards from any supply pile other than Inventor and put them into your hand. Play your turn. During clean-up phrase, return both Action cards to supply piles. Only 1 Inventor may be played per turn.
Iventor, trash a Catacombs, drawing KC, Bridge, Bridge, discard X...

I'm confused. Did you mean Cultist, rather than Catacombs? That aside, I think I'm missing your point.
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2013, 11:38:14 pm »
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I cant see it :(

Be careful what you wish for.

Inventor
Types: Action
Cost: $6
+1 Action. Trash a card. Discard a card. When you do, gain 2 Action cards from any supply pile other than Inventor and put them into your hand. Play your turn. During clean-up phrase, return both Action cards to supply piles. Only 1 Inventor may be played per turn.
Iventor, trash a Catacombs, drawing KC, Bridge, Bridge, discard X...

I'm confused. Did you mean Cultist, rather than Catacombs? That aside, I think I'm missing your point.
yeah, Cultist. think about what you would gain with a hand like that...
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2013, 11:42:19 pm »
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I cant see it :(

Be careful what you wish for.

Inventor
Types: Action
Cost: $6
+1 Action. Trash a card. Discard a card. When you do, gain 2 Action cards from any supply pile other than Inventor and put them into your hand. Play your turn. During clean-up phrase, return both Action cards to supply piles. Only 1 Inventor may be played per turn.
Iventor, trash a Catacombs, drawing KC, Bridge, Bridge, discard X...

I'm confused. Did you mean Cultist, rather than Catacombs? That aside, I think I'm missing your point.
yeah, Cultist. think about what you would gain with a hand like that...

Oh, I get it. You're suggesting a King's Court and a Bridge could be gained. Honestly, I haven't even thought about the power of the card. I can't really see past the sheer number of ambiguous wordings, accountability problems, and rules issues.
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 03:34:54 am »
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I cant see it :(

Be careful what you wish for.

Inventor
Types: Action
Cost: $6
+1 Action. Trash a card. Discard a card. When you do, gain 2 Action cards from any supply pile other than Inventor and put them into your hand. Play your turn. During clean-up phrase, return both Action cards to supply piles. Only 1 Inventor may be played per turn.

What does "Only 1 Inventor may be played per turn" even really mean? How does it effect Throne Room? Golem?

Probably better to word it as

Inventor
Types: Action
Cost: $6
If this is the first time you have played an Investor this turn +1 Action. Trash a card. Discard a card. When you do, gain 2 Action cards from any supply pile other than Inventor and put them into your hand. Play your turn. During clean-up phrase, return both Action cards to supply piles.

So you can still play extra inventors, that just do nothing except. Also I think "Play your turn" is unnecessary.

"Gain" is still problematic. Investor a BV and you get a free card that you get to keep.
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Re: Inventor: Action Card
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 06:38:04 am »
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Many things about this card were allready pointed out. I'd like to add that it has tracking issues.
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