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[WilsonWriter]

Another card we've been playing with, of our own design, and it's worked pretty well in green-heavy games.

[LastFootnote]

"Including this" doesn't make any sense. It's not in your hand. It's in play.

[WilsonWriter]

That's the reason it says "including this," so that you know this Victory card is also included when you play it, along with the ones in your hand.

[SirPeebles]

Why not say

+$1

You may reveal...

and drop the "including this" clause.

[zahlman]

"You may... any number of" is redundant, since 0 is a number.

[AJD]

"You may... any number of" is redundant, since 0 is a number.

Redundant, but helpful anyway. Note Dame Anna is "You may trash up to 2 cards from your hand", even though the "you may" is redundant, because it's a little friendlier to players who don't want to have to think through whether zero is included.

[LastFootnote]

"You may... any number of" is redundant, since 0 is a number.

Redundant, but helpful anyway. Note Dame Anna is "You may trash up to 2 cards from your hand", even though the "you may" is redundant, because it's a little friendlier to players who don't want to have to think through whether zero is included.

Huh, I never noticed that on Dame Anna. I'll take that into account for my own wordings. Thanks for spotting that!

[GendoIkari]

Why not say

+$1

You may reveal...

and drop the "including this" clause.

Yes, this is how it should be worded. That being said.... the effect is generally worse than Secret Chamber. The 2 vp that goes with it boosts it a bit... but probably shouldn't be more than $3.

[AJD]

"You may... any number of" is redundant, since 0 is a number.

Redundant, but helpful anyway. Note Dame Anna is "You may trash up to 2 cards from your hand", even though the "you may" is redundant, because it's a little friendlier to players who don't want to have to think through whether zero is included.

Huh, I never noticed that on Dame Anna. I'll take that into account for my own wordings. Thanks for spotting that!

Now here's a conundrum: if Forge said "you may", would you still have to gain a Copper if you trashed nothing?

[LastFootnote]

No, I don't believe you would.

[zahlman]

It says "Gain a card" (and there is no "if you do," clause)... but the described card to gain refers to "the trashed cards"; if you didn't exercise the option, then you haven't actually trashed an empty set of cards, and thus the card gaining fails.

I think.