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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2150 on: April 29, 2013, 09:20:01 am »

I really think raerae/Jorbles look bad if you look at wagons.  I like those two for lynching today.

Why's that? Weren't you one of the people going on about lynching off the Kooshie wagon?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2151 on: April 29, 2013, 09:21:25 am »

Wait, Insomniac is alive?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2152 on: April 29, 2013, 09:21:48 am »

ashersky, Jorbles, raerae, Jimmm, Insomniac and Eevee, 6 players?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2153 on: April 29, 2013, 09:22:31 am »

And sudgy.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2154 on: April 29, 2013, 09:23:26 am »

Nevermind, I got confused. Shouldnt try to do multiple things at once, but have trouble staying out of this thread.

Add Ins to the list of my suspects.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2155 on: April 29, 2013, 09:23:42 am »

I really think raerae/Jorbles look bad if you look at wagons.  I like those two for lynching today.

Why's that? Weren't you one of the people going on about lynching off the Kooshie wagon?

Raerae is late on Kooshie, on both town, and joined up on Arch post-slip.  Looks worse out of the two.
Jorbles is bussing early on Kooshie, which is bold, off mail-mi which is smart, on Lekkit, and then off Arch.  If you wanted me to describe how I think smartscumJorbles votes in a game, this is it.  (I've been scum partners with him in the past.)

Off Kooshie is you and Insom.  Off both scum is Insom.  Would you prefer Insom?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2156 on: April 29, 2013, 09:24:43 am »

I might prefer ashersky tbh..
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2157 on: April 29, 2013, 09:25:43 am »

I might prefer ashersky tbh..
Going out of his way to see what suspicion might stick to cause a mislynch, is what this feels like. Also he seriously has been avoiding attention (no offering to be lynched!), and the fight with yuma was just idiotic, much like our fight in Mafia Noir... where ashersky was scum.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2158 on: April 29, 2013, 09:28:12 am »

I might prefer ashersky tbh..
Going out of his way to see what suspicion might stick to cause a mislynch, is what this feels like. Also he seriously has been avoiding attention (no offering to be lynched!), and the fight with yuma was just idiotic, much like our fight in Mafia Noir... where ashersky was scum.

If you think lynching me (as town) is the best play for town, I could be convinced.

It puts you at lylo tomorrow with the following alive (assuming they kill IC sudgy):

Jimmmmm, Eevee, raerae, Jorbles, Insomniac



So do you really think I'm more likely to be scum than the four that survive with you?

(Of course, if you are scum, your answer doesn't really help.)
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2159 on: April 29, 2013, 09:28:59 am »

I might prefer ashersky tbh..
Going out of his way to see what suspicion might stick to cause a mislynch, is what this feels like. Also he seriously has been avoiding attention (no offering to be lynched!), and the fight with yuma was just idiotic, much like our fight in Mafia Noir... where ashersky was scum.

I've been the ONLY person to suspect Jorbles this entire game, going back to D1.  So that isn't random at all.  Raerae not so much, and she was right about mcmc.  But her voting patterns aren't helping her out.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2160 on: April 29, 2013, 09:29:29 am »

First you tried to suspect me, until you saw it wouldnt work.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2161 on: April 29, 2013, 09:29:54 am »

Actually, vote: ashersky

At least one scum, if not both, will push this through.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2162 on: April 29, 2013, 09:30:13 am »

First you tried to suspect me, until you saw it wouldnt work.

Because you're too awesome as scum to get caught?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2163 on: April 29, 2013, 09:32:57 am »

First you tried to suspect me, until you saw it wouldnt work.

Because you're too awesome as scum to get caught?
Because I have been in every single scum lynch this far, was the second on Kooshie and didn't participate on any of the town lynched. Just, I'm not the most likely to be scum here. I'm guessing you forgot that and dropped your suspicion the minute you realized there were earlier targets.

Your play with the self vote is not very pro-town for this situation either.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2164 on: April 29, 2013, 09:35:58 am »

First you tried to suspect me, until you saw it wouldnt work.

Because you're too awesome as scum to get caught?
Because I have been in every single scum lynch this far, was the second on Kooshie and didn't participate on any of the town lynched. Just, I'm not the most likely to be scum here. I'm guessing you forgot that and dropped your suspicion the minute you realized there were earlier targets.

Your play with the self vote is not very pro-town for this situation either.

You working to get me mislynched isn't very pro-town either.  So I guess we're even.

Look, if you are town and TRULY believe I'm scum this game, after 4 days worth of posts, vote for me.  But if you are town and aren't sure, don't vote for me, and know that to get this mislynch through, scum will have to partake.  Then you'll know where to look in lylo.  It's a gambit, but it's a town gambit.  This game is winnable guys.

Go look at the wagons I collected for us.  It's useful information.  We don't want to get caught up in what we are saying just today.  If yuma were here, he'd agree.  You've got to look at everything in context.  Ozle's moddeath helps us because we can just rule out his interactions.

Who was yuma suspecting before Arch gave himself away?  Why in the world would you kill a possible mislynch?  I'd be suspecting him hardcore today if he survived.  But he didn't, which is just odd.  So who's likely to fear yuma?  (Answer: Eevee)
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2165 on: April 29, 2013, 09:38:48 am »

Why would I fear anyone? Look at my wagon history, it's like the most pro-town thing ever (yes, I'm proud).

I'm town who is unsure but leaning more and more towards thinking you are mafia. Well, two of you, Jorbles, raerae and Ins. I won't vote before we've heard what everyone thinks and before I've looked at the wagons more. I encourage people to make cases on others / "why I'm town" cases on themselves (or others, why not).
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2166 on: April 29, 2013, 09:47:33 am »

Jorbles: I've had a scum read on him since D1.  His voting is smart scum.  Jorbles is fantastically smart scum.  I've been his partner before, he's playing as I would expect him to as my scum partner.  We've also modded together.  Yes, this is a meta case + voting analysis.

raerae: Off the radar, although with real VLA.  Voting history is more of the scummy ilk.  Has made some good points on a few folks, but hasn't been commenting on every player.  I think selectivity in reads/opinions can be a scum trait.

Insom:  Dude's been purposefully missing, I think.  He likes to be upset when he does post that when he posts no one listens.  Very lurky, even for a declared "final game."  On zero lynch wagons is super safe scum play.

Eevee:  Scares me with his perfect voting record, and for being rarely suspected.  Is misreading me, which is scummy of Eevee, who reads me very well.  I'd put Eevee in the top three or so players who can read me well on f.ds.  So when he's wrong about me, I assume it's on purpose because he's scum.  I will note he's not playing like WW Major Arcana Eevee who I won MXVII with.

Jimmmmm:  Strong town read from back when he was going to get lynched.  Hasn't done anything to change that, although his D4-D5 posts have been similar to late RMM7 posting, when he was basically going to win.

sudgy/ash: town.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2167 on: April 29, 2013, 09:52:42 am »

Going out of his way to see what suspicion might stick to cause a mislynch, is what this feels like.

I had the same thought.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2168 on: April 29, 2013, 09:58:26 am »

ash, if you're Town, and the game is winnable by lynching you today, then you need to tell us exactly who the remaining scum are.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2169 on: April 29, 2013, 09:59:59 am »

ash, if you're Town, and the game is winnable by lynching you today, then you need to tell us exactly who the remaining scum are.

I've just listed who I think the scummiest are.  What else can I say?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2170 on: April 29, 2013, 10:04:35 am »

Guilting me into thinking he is town isn't helping ashesky's case.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2171 on: April 29, 2013, 10:07:01 am »

Guilting me into thinking he is town isn't helping ashesky's case.

Mislynch me, ruin your perfect record this game.

Is this really scum!ash?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2172 on: April 29, 2013, 10:08:33 am »

ash, if you're Town, and the game is winnable by lynching you today, then you need to tell us exactly who the remaining scum are.

I've just listed who I think the scummiest are.  What else can I say?

Okay, let's have a look.

Jorbles: I've had a scum read on him since D1.  His voting is smart scum.  Jorbles is fantastically smart scum.  I've been his partner before, he's playing as I would expect him to as my scum partner.  We've also modded together.  Yes, this is a meta case + voting analysis.
tldr: smart scum

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raerae: Off the radar, although with real VLA.  Voting history is more of the scummy ilk.  Has made some good points on a few folks, but hasn't been commenting on every player.  I think selectivity in reads/opinions can be a scum trait.
tldr: scummy voting, could be scum

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Insom:  Dude's been purposefully missing, I think.  He likes to be upset when he does post that when he posts no one listens.  Very lurky, even for a declared "final game."  On zero lynch wagons is super safe scum play.
tldr: safe scum

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Eevee:  Scares me with his perfect voting record, and for being rarely suspected.  Is misreading me, which is scummy of Eevee, who reads me very well.  I'd put Eevee in the top three or so players who can read me well on f.ds.  So when he's wrong about me, I assume it's on purpose because he's scum.  I will note he's not playing like WW Major Arcana Eevee who I won MXVII with.
tldr: wrong, therefore scum

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Jimmmmm:  Strong town read from back when he was going to get lynched.  Hasn't done anything to change that, although his D4-D5 posts have been similar to late RMM7 posting, when he was basically going to win.
tldr: could be scum

So if you're Town we're looking for two scum in five people and you've given us smart scum, could be scum, safe scum, wrong scum and could be scum. So basically you have no idea. In what universe does lynching a Townie leaving us with these five people at lylo give us a good chance of winning this game?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2173 on: April 29, 2013, 10:14:55 am »

Ask Eevee.  His idea to lynch me.

In what world does it make sense for scum!ash to suggest this?





(Of course I don't know who scum is.  I only suspect, like any townie.  Who helps lynch me will help figure it out.)
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 5)
« Reply #2174 on: April 29, 2013, 10:23:25 am »

Ask Eevee.  His idea to lynch me.

In what world does it make sense for scum!ash to suggest this?





(Of course I don't know who scum is.  I only suspect, like any townie.  Who helps lynch me will help figure it out.)

The only scenario that makes any sense at the moment is that you're trying too hard to be Towny, self-sacrificial ashersky. This is not the situation for a Townie to be falling on his sword. And saying "Ask Eevee" is a ludicrous defense. If Eevee is Town, then suggesting lynching you is something that he believes has a relatively good chance of helping Town. If you're Town, then suggesting lynching yourself is something that you know will be bad for Town. So unless you can give a very good reason why it would be good for Town, you seem to be trying too hard.
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