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[Blueswan]

Excuse me for being a noob - but don't you have to know what the cards do at Isotropic? Or is there any way to see what the cards do?

Anyway, that's what I figured, so I only play at Goko.

[Powerman]

Excuse me for being a noob - but don't you have to know what the cards do at Isotropic? Or is there any way to see what the cards do?

Anyway, that's what I figured, so I only play at Goko.

You can see what the cards do by hitting the "read cards" button on the side of the screen.

[Kirian]

Excuse me for being a noob - but don't you have to know what the cards do at Isotropic? Or is there any way to see what the cards do?

Anyway, that's what I figured, so I only play at Goko.

Mouseover the cards and stay for a couple of seconds.

[Blueswan]

Ahhh. Thanks for the explanation. Isotropic just looked like an "insiders game" where you had to know everything in advance, so I went with Goko.

[Schneau]

I do have to say this: Goko is more user-friendly to noobs and those with low computer literacy.

[ipofanes]

Excuse me for being a noob - but don't you have to know what the cards do at Isotropic? Or is there any way to see what the cards do?

Anyway, that's what I figured, so I only play at Goko.

This is a bit as designed, as there is some thinking that Isotropic is for those who have bought the game.

So actually, NO excuse you are a noob  and Goko might suit your likes better as well as fit the business model of the producers.

[eHalcyon]

Played some more on my laptop. Still no lagging. Amazing.

However, I don't want to play on my laptop, I want to play on my stationary and it annoys me that I can't figure out why it lags.

My stationary has a faster CPU than my laptop.

My stationary has a shitty Radeon HD 5450 GPU (I'm not a PC gamer), but my laptop has onboard graphics, which ought to be even shittier.

Browser versions?

[Jacob marley]

I do have to say this: Goko is more user-friendly to noobs and those with low computer literacy.

This fits my experience.  My first (and only) time on Iso, I was taking a few minutes to get a handle on unfamiliar cards (despite having asked for a bias toward sets I owned, I had mostly cards I had never seen), and quickly got rude comments to hurry up.  I just quit the game and never went back.  With Goko, I played bots until I was up to speed on how the game worked at least before jumping into multiplayer.

[pingpongsam]

I do have to say this: Goko is more user-friendly to noobs and those with low computer literacy.

This fits my experience.  My first (and only) time on Iso, I was taking a few minutes to get a handle on unfamiliar cards (despite having asked for a bias toward sets I owned, I had mostly cards I had never seen), and quickly got rude comments to hurry up.  I just quit the game and never went back.  With Goko, I played bots until I was up to speed on how the game worked at least before jumping into multiplayer.

Iso has a solo mode. Also most people are amenable to someone saying they need to read cards or study the board. Assholes can be found anywhere. Assholes do things like not set Iso to limit the experience of the match-up then demand the noob gogogogo. I don't imagine that Goko is somehow asshole proof.

[Drab Emordnilap]

This fits my experience.  My first (and only) time on Iso, I was taking a few minutes to get a handle on unfamiliar cards (despite having asked for a bias toward sets I owned, I had mostly cards I had never seen), and quickly got rude comments to hurry up.  I just quit the game and never went back.  With Goko, I played bots until I was up to speed on how the game worked at least before jumping into multiplayer.

That is unfortunate; I hope you won't let that experience color your opinion of this community. My third game of Dominion was on Isotropic, and my first couple dozen games were prefaced with "I'm sorry, but I need to read the cards". Almost everyone responded positively, or at least not negatively.

On the other hand, I played a game with a perfect gentleman today who said nothing until, when the game was over, he said "gg novice get owned". It was a tie game.

[greatexpectations]

This fits my experience.  My first (and only) time on Iso, I was taking a few minutes to get a handle on unfamiliar cards (despite having asked for a bias toward sets I owned, I had mostly cards I had never seen), and quickly got rude comments to hurry up.  I just quit the game and never went back.  With Goko, I played bots until I was up to speed on how the game worked at least before jumping into multiplayer.

i think schneau was referring to the interface itself. isotropic is not entirely intuitive if you are unfamiliar with the game. as others have mentioned, you will find jerks anywhere you go.

and fwiw i'm not sure that judging isotropic by a single experience is the best way to indirectly make a case for goko. if everyone on this forum judged goko by only their first experience you would have loads more people who won't even bother with goko.

[Blueswan]

Played some more on my laptop. Still no lagging. Amazing.

However, I don't want to play on my laptop, I want to play on my stationary and it annoys me that I can't figure out why it lags.

My stationary has a faster CPU than my laptop.

My stationary has a shitty Radeon HD 5450 GPU (I'm not a PC gamer), but my laptop has onboard graphics, which ought to be even shittier.

Browser versions?

Chrome - totally up to date. Also tried with Firefox, Explorer and Opera. I have safely concluded that the browser is not the issue.

[ashersky]

I do have to say this: Goko is more user-friendly to noobs and those with low computer literacy.

This fits my experience.  My first (and only) time on Iso, I was taking a few minutes to get a handle on unfamiliar cards (despite having asked for a bias toward sets I owned, I had mostly cards I had never seen), and quickly got rude comments to hurry up.  I just quit the game and never went back.  With Goko, I played bots until I was up to speed on how the game worked at least before jumping into multiplayer.

I understand this, I think.  I played Base physically a few times and liked it enough to seek out online implementations.  All googles kept leading to iso.  I played at the German site for awhile because I was scared of all the unknown cards, but after some solo and base/intrigue weighted games on iso, I never looked back.

I read every article on this site.  I watched what my opponents did.  And I learned just how amazing Dominion really is.  I'm probably maxed out as far as levels go, and that's cool.  I got four or five games in during the DA Dream yesterday.

Iso defined Dominion for me as one of the greatest games ever made.  Goko doesn't do that (for me, or yet?) because what I feel like I'm watching there is Angry Birds: Dominion.

[Dsell]

My friend was playing with/teaching Dominion to a very new player last night. In the last 8 months, she's played once with the cards and maybe 5 times on Isotropic. Since she's still learning I suggested that Goko might be a better fit, since the interface is more like real life Dominion. They played one game on Goko and the new player asked to go back to Isotropic because Goko's interface is so busy.

I'd been thinking maybe only experienced Isotropic players would find Iso's interface better and that new players would prefer Goko, but last night proved me wrong.

[Blueswan]

Finally "fixed" my problem with lagging on Goko. Turns out it must be the antivirus/firewall program. I just tried disabling it and lo and behold - no lagging. At least not in the one game I just played with it disabled.

However, disabling your security programs it not really a great solution, obviously.

[DStu]

However, disabling your security programs it not really a great solution, obviously.

You could maybe try to just except goko.com in the firewall/antivirus...

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[Ozle]

I just tried the above, and then I stubbed my toe on the door leaving the room for a sandwich,

SStu, You shall be hearing from Injurylawyersforyou.com

[DStu]

SStu

I'll just count that as an insult, and we settle?

[loppo]

Finally "fixed" my problem with lagging on Goko. Turns out it must be the antivirus/firewall program. I just tried disabling it and lo and behold - no lagging. At least not in the one game I just played with it disabled.

However, disabling your security programs it not really a great solution, obviously.

here is something from gokos getsatisfaction, that might be helpful for you:
 
Hi.... can you try this? First, try to login (even if it doesn't succeed it creates a cookie we need for the next part). Then, go here:

http://www.goko.com/games/status

and where it says "Choose Connection Port", choose "Port 2" and set that.

Then see if you can login and play games. We have noticed that some personal firewalls object to our default port so please try the 2nd port and see if that does it.

Thanks!
John Q.

[pingpongsam]

It's always a good idea to make a browser based game that doesn't work over port 80/443.