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[GendoIkari]

I found an error while going through it all with the physical cards.



You put Kc 1-10 on deck, then draw 1-4. Then you put Nc 2-9 on deck... but when you Kc-Council Room, you draw the rest of the King's Courts without drawing the Nomad Camps. Also, you say to top-deck Bridge along with Sir Martin and Squire (on top of the King's Courts and Nomad Camps), but it is not drawn when you play Kc-Council Room either; it's drawn later when you play Margrave.

I'm assuming that this is the sort of thing that you can somehow work around... I really hope so anyway! It seems likely that you can just not top-deck the Nomad Camps or the Bridge... you're really close to the reshuffle anyway, and if you do reshuffle, then you can get all the Nomad Camps and the Bridge on top anyway...

[GendoIkari]

What order was the Black Market deck in to start with? And I'm guessing that it actually matters what order you put the unbought cards back on the bottom, but I should be able to work that out for myself.

As long as all cards bought are different there is always at least one (actually, at least 3 and I suspect way more than that) possible initial order and order in which to put unbought cards each time that makes it happen

Yes, after thinking about it a bit I'm sure that it's definitely possible to be able to buy the cards in any order you want if you assume perfect shuffle luck on the BM deck, but it's a bit of a puzzle in itself to try to figure out the initial order of the deck!

[Kirian]

OK, do we really need spoilers?  This is not something that's going to get done by someone else.

[mail-mi]

I know this is genius, really, but why have I spotted a mistake (may not be a mistake, but I spotted it nonetheless): He puts Nc2-9 on the deck with Wt, and where does the tenth one go? Shouldn't it go on the deck too (because it's nomad camp?) or does he trash it w/ watchtower?

[Morgrim7]

I know this is genius, really, but why have I spotted a mistake (may not be a mistake, but I spotted it nonetheless): He puts Nc2-9 on the deck with Wt, and where does the tenth one go? Shouldn't it go on the deck too (because it's nomad camp?) or does he trash it w/ watchtower?

Probably trashes it. Doesnt serve any other purpose, does it?

[GendoIkari]

I know this is genius, really, but why have I spotted a mistake (may not be a mistake, but I spotted it nonetheless): He puts Nc2-9 on the deck with Wt, and where does the tenth one go? Shouldn't it go on the deck too (because it's nomad camp?) or does he trash it w/ watchtower?

Probably trashes it. Doesnt serve any other purpose, does it?

He plays it later. Dunno if he needs that buy and 2 money or not. Either way, this is related to the same mistake I found, but I missed that it was Nomad Camp and therefore auto top decked.

[Celestial Chameleon]

I found an error while going through it all with the physical cards.



You put Kc 1-10 on deck, then draw 1-4. Then you put Nc 2-9 on deck... but when you Kc-Council Room, you draw the rest of the King's Courts without drawing the Nomad Camps. Also, you say to top-deck Bridge along with Sir Martin and Squire (on top of the King's Courts and Nomad Camps), but it is not drawn when you play Kc-Council Room either; it's drawn later when you play Margrave.

I'm assuming that this is the sort of thing that you can somehow work around... I really hope so anyway! It seems likely that you can just not top-deck the Nomad Camps or the Bridge... you're really close to the reshuffle anyway, and if you do reshuffle, then you can get all the Nomad Camps and the Bridge on top anyway...

I know this is genius, really, but why have I spotted a mistake (may not be a mistake, but I spotted it nonetheless): He puts Nc2-9 on the deck with Wt, and where does the tenth one go? Shouldn't it go on the deck too (because it's nomad camp?) or does he trash it w/ watchtower?

Fixed both of these.

[soulnet]

Yes, after thinking about it a bit I'm sure that it's definitely possible to be able to buy the cards in any order you want if you assume perfect shuffle luck on the BM deck, but it's a bit of a puzzle in itself to try to figure out the initial order of the deck!

Its not really hard to construct a possible initial state by greedily chosing where to put each card. If there are BM plays that do not buy a card you have to consider more cases, but still, nothing too hard. Especially in the context of a thread that empties the supply in 4 turns.

[Squidd]

Wanted to make a joke about how KC-Council Room is awfully generous to his opponent, but then he plays Margrave anyway. He thought of everything!

[AdamH]

You are amazing, and I +1-ed your posts, but...

Turn 4, line 5. After playing Pr1->Pr2, you play Pr2 again. I don't think it's an error in the numbers, since I don't see how you get another Procession in hand.

I apologize for questioning you.

[Donald X.]

You are amazing, and I +1-ed your posts, but...

Turn 4, line 5. After playing Pr1->Pr2, you play Pr2 again. I don't think it's an error in the numbers, since I don't see how you get another Procession in hand.

I apologize for questioning you.

"- Pr2-->Ct3, reveal Wt, trash Ct3, gain Pr4 on deck" is Pr2 being trashed (the last thing Pr1 does with it).

[ashersky]

You are amazing, and I +1-ed your posts, but...

Turn 4, line 5. After playing Pr1->Pr2, you play Pr2 again. I don't think it's an error in the numbers, since I don't see how you get another Procession in hand.

I apologize for questioning you.

"- Pr2-->Ct3, reveal Wt, trash Ct3, gain Pr4 on deck" is Pr2 being trashed (the last thing Pr1 does with it).

Donald, you forgot to switch accounts before replying.

[AdamH]

You are amazing, and I +1-ed your posts, but...

Turn 4, line 5. After playing Pr1->Pr2, you play Pr2 again. I don't think it's an error in the numbers, since I don't see how you get another Procession in hand.

I apologize for questioning you.

"- Pr2-->Ct3, reveal Wt, trash Ct3, gain Pr4 on deck" is Pr2 being trashed (the last thing Pr1 does with it).

Ah, I misread. This was the card being trashed, not played. Once again, I apologize.

[Kirian]

You are amazing, and I +1-ed your posts, but...

Turn 4, line 5. After playing Pr1->Pr2, you play Pr2 again. I don't think it's an error in the numbers, since I don't see how you get another Procession in hand.

I apologize for questioning you.

"- Pr2-->Ct3, reveal Wt, trash Ct3, gain Pr4 on deck" is Pr2 being trashed (the last thing Pr1 does with it).

Donald, you forgot to switch accounts before replying.

lol

CC has been identified as not Donald, though.

[ashersky]

You are amazing, and I +1-ed your posts, but...

Turn 4, line 5. After playing Pr1->Pr2, you play Pr2 again. I don't think it's an error in the numbers, since I don't see how you get another Procession in hand.

I apologize for questioning you.

"- Pr2-->Ct3, reveal Wt, trash Ct3, gain Pr4 on deck" is Pr2 being trashed (the last thing Pr1 does with it).

Donald, you forgot to switch accounts before replying.

lol

CC has been identified as not Donald, though.

Just a joke to get easy +respect.

[wuthefwasthat]

Well, you got one of those right.

The Kingdom change seems so obvious in retrospect...  But pretty sweet that you can get to that point without Develop at all!  To what extent were the first few Black Market cards really important? 

[Davio]

You are amazing, and I +1-ed your posts, but...

Turn 4, line 5. After playing Pr1->Pr2, you play Pr2 again. I don't think it's an error in the numbers, since I don't see how you get another Procession in hand.

I apologize for questioning you.

"- Pr2-->Ct3, reveal Wt, trash Ct3, gain Pr4 on deck" is Pr2 being trashed (the last thing Pr1 does with it).

Donald, you forgot to switch accounts before replying.

lol

CC has been identified as not Donald, though.

No, CC is Donald's house slave, tasked with belittling the common people with his insane contraptions.

[Lashof]

No, CC is Donald's house slave, tasked with belittling the common people with his insane contraptions.

So he's a rigger who assembles contraptions?  Makes sense.

[Morgrim7]

No, CC is Donald's house slave, tasked with belittling the common people with his insane contraptions.

So he's a rigger who assembles contraptions?  Makes sense.

CC...is a house elf?

[Axxle]

I'll send CC a sock!

[Morgrim7]

I'll send CC a sock!

Why? CC has practically solved dominion!

[ConMan]

Yeah, wait until Guilds comes out and he empties the Supply in Turn 3 first!

[ehunt]

it seems like potion should not be in the supply (maybe i am confusing isotropic's black market implementation with the official rules though)

[Tables]

Scrying Pool is in the Black Market (among other things, not sure). So yes, Potion should be in the kingdom.

[ehunt]

Scrying Pool is in the Black Market (among other things, not sure). So yes, Potion should be in the kingdom.

on isotropic, it's the other way around (there are never potion cost cards in the black market unless there are potion cost cards in the kingdom), but the alchemy rulebook agrees that you can have a potion cost card in the black market and not in the supply (so the original solution is fine).