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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2013, 05:57:16 pm »
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I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
I don't see how Courtyard fits.

Because of Smithy, or any +3 cards card. After you draw 3 cards, it's generally considered a drawback of the card that you have to put one back on top of your deck. Enough of a drawback that it's a $2 card instead of a $4 card. But I only listed it as honorable mention because there are times that you'd rather put a card back.
Right. I have, for some reason, always thought the topdecking part of Courtyard is the thing and that the +3 cards is just a bonus to make up for the loss of two cards and one action.

That's actually a neat way of looking at it. Now that I think about it, Embassy might be considered a better comparison than Smithy... both net you +1 card... Courtyard gets you the best 6 out of 7; Embassy the best 6 out of 9. But Embassy is non-Terminal; and doesn't give you the possibly beneficial top-decking.

Embassy is terminal.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2013, 11:15:39 pm »
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I thought the criteria was "If you have only 1 buy and unlimited money, what is a card that you would never buy, assuming another certain card is on the board."  As in, what cards have a card that is strictly superior at all times.  City is not always superior, Trusty Stead can't be bought.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2013, 08:48:38 am »
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I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
I don't see how Courtyard fits.

Because of Smithy, or any +3 cards card. After you draw 3 cards, it's generally considered a drawback of the card that you have to put one back on top of your deck. Enough of a drawback that it's a $2 card instead of a $4 card. But I only listed it as honorable mention because there are times that you'd rather put a card back.
Right. I have, for some reason, always thought the topdecking part of Courtyard is the thing and that the +3 cards is just a bonus to make up for the loss of two cards and one action.

That's actually a neat way of looking at it. Now that I think about it, Embassy might be considered a better comparison than Smithy... both net you +1 card... Courtyard gets you the best 6 out of 7; Embassy the best 6 out of 9. But Embassy is non-Terminal; and doesn't give you the possibly beneficial top-decking.

Embassy is terminal.

I have no idea what I was thinking.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2013, 08:51:04 am »
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I thought the criteria was "If you have only 1 buy and unlimited money, what is a card that you would never buy, assuming another certain card is on the board."  As in, what cards have a card that is strictly superior at all times.  City is not always superior, Trusty Stead can't be bought.

I agree, which is why neither of those were on the list. But isn't that basically what an honorable mention is? Something that doesn't fit the list, but would if the criteria were loosened slightly. In this case, Shanty Town would fit if the criteria were loosened to "Kingdom cards whose effects are strictly inferior to the effects of some other card."
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2013, 04:35:09 pm »
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Eh, I suppose.  I thought the honorable mentions were cards that could conceivably better than the "strictly superior" card (ie. Courtyard/Smithy).

I assume Moneylender is just because of Counterfeit, but is honorable just 'cus of TR/KC?
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2013, 09:08:36 am »
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Eh, I suppose.  I thought the honorable mentions were cards that could conceivably better than the "strictly superior" card (ie. Courtyard/Smithy).

I assume Moneylender is just because of Counterfeit, but is honorable just 'cus of TR/KC?

Yes, but not only TR/KC. Treasure cards and action cards are different enough from each other that they play differently. TR, KC, Procession, Tactician, Conspirator, Peddler, Draw-to-X, Menagerie, Scrying Pool, Graverobber, Vineyard... all reasons you might wish you had an action card instead of a treasure card. Of course the Menagerie one only matters if you have multiple Moneylenders in your deck, which would be weird.
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