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Missing again!
« on: January 31, 2013, 01:14:49 pm »
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Not sure if this may have been done before; but probably not since Dark Ages at least! One card is missing from this list:

Chancellor
Hamlet *
Laboratory
Market
Militia
Oasis *
Peddler
Remodel
Smithy
Village
Woodcutter

Honorable Mentions:
Courtyard
Moneylender
Spy

As Powerman helped discover, there are 7 cards missing from the list. Oops!

*Cards that could possibly be considered honorable mentions instead of actually on the list.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2013, 05:43:27 pm »
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hmmmm.... village, smithy, lab, peddler, and woodcutter all do exactly three of the basic +1 action, card, buy, money)... and all the rest have something somewhat similar, so I think it is at least a little bit related to that.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 09:12:34 am »
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hmmmm.... village, smithy, lab, peddler, and woodcutter all do exactly three of the basic +1 action, card, buy, money)... and all the rest have something somewhat similar, so I think it is at least a little bit related to that.

No. Remodel wouldn't fit in there at all then.

I updated the OP with what might be something of a hint...
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 09:14:00 am »
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2013, 10:01:40 am »
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Workshop or maybe Pawn?
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2013, 10:26:49 am »
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Workshop or maybe Pawn?

Oops... both of those should be on the list, but I missed them. So there's still a third one missing.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2013, 10:30:14 am »
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Well, then I'm caught between Spy, Wishing Well, andThrone Room
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2013, 10:34:21 am »
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Well, then I'm caught between Spy, Wishing Well, andThrone Room

I had to think about it a bit, but you're completely correct. All 3 of those also belong on the list. The last one was the one I'd intended to begin with. I'd even considered the other 2 briefly (I quickly glanced at the full list of cards), but missed that they do indeed belong there. Congrats!
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2013, 10:40:35 am »
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Well, then I'm caught between Spy, Wishing Well, andThrone Room

Actually I think spy should be an honorable mention, now that I think more about it. However, I DID think of yet another card that I (and you) missed. So there's still one more.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2013, 04:39:31 pm »
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Oh, definitely Vagrant.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2013, 04:42:57 pm »
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Oh, definitely Vagrant.

ARG!!! You keep finding cards I didn't think of.

And now all the sudden I thought of YET ANOTHER card I missed.... so the 2 I have that haven't been named yet:

Mystic and Conspirator (both for the same reason, in fact!)
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 04:50:27 pm »
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Oh, definitely Vagrant.

ARG!!! You keep finding cards I didn't think of.

And now all the sudden I thought of YET ANOTHER card I missed.... so the 2 I have that haven't been named yet:

Mystic and Conspirator (both for the same reason, in fact!)

Yeah, I had thought of those two earlier but I figured they must not be it for some reason I was missing.  I think Fool's Gold should be an honorable mention, but that's stretching a bit. 
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 04:55:26 pm »
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Nah, I think the reaction part of that completely disqualifies it, same with Moat and Secret Chamber.

The reason I missed most of the cards I did was because I thought about something like Wishing Well and thought "that does something no other card does, it makes you wish for a card (and does other stuff Mystic doesn't do). I just didn't realize that whether you win the wish or not, Wishing Well is still nothing that Lab isn't.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2013, 02:18:34 pm »
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Ruins ? (except Survivors, maybe)
All the base cards except Potion, Platinum and Colony ? (not sure about Curse)
All 0-4$ Action cards as honorable mentions
Worker's Village ? Young witch/Witch/Followers ? Contraband ?
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2013, 04:38:51 pm »
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Ruins ? (except Survivors, maybe)
Those could all work, but I was only thinking of Kingdom cards. Good catch, though!

All the base cards except Potion, Platinum and Colony ? (not sure about Curse)
See above.
All 0-4$ Action cards as honorable mentions
Not quite sure what you were thinking with this one...
Worker's Village ? Young witch/Witch/Followers ? Contraband ?
I don't think any of these qualify...
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2013, 05:19:05 pm »
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Shanty Town?
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2013, 05:29:27 pm »
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Shanty Town?

I'd give an honorable mention for that one... for 2 separate reasons, in fact.
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« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2013, 09:38:23 pm »
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Shanty Town?

I'd give an honorable mention for that one... for 2 separate reasons, in fact.

Ok, now even I am lost.  Why is that an honorable mention?
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2013, 12:01:32 am »
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Shanty Town?

I'd give an honorable mention for that one... for 2 separate reasons, in fact.

Ok, now even I am lost.  Why is that an honorable mention?

Trusty Steed and City?

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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2013, 11:27:19 am »
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Shanty Town?

I'd give an honorable mention for that one... for 2 separate reasons, in fact.

Ok, now even I am lost.  Why is that an honorable mention?

Trusty Steed and City?

But you can't buy the first, and the second isn't always as so.  Unless, we have different definitions of why they're the same...
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2013, 02:35:09 pm »
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Shanty Town?

I'd give an honorable mention for that one... for 2 separate reasons, in fact.

Ok, now even I am lost.  Why is that an honorable mention?

Trusty Steed and City?

But you can't buy the first, and the second isn't always as so.  Unless, we have different definitions of why they're the same...


Yes, DGHunter said what I was thinking. I don't think Shanty Town fits the list, but it can be called an honorable mention because of those 2 cards.

I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2013, 03:08:26 pm »
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I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
I don't see how Courtyard fits.
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« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2013, 04:10:04 pm »
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I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
I don't see how Courtyard fits.

Because of Smithy, or any +3 cards card. After you draw 3 cards, it's generally considered a drawback of the card that you have to put one back on top of your deck. Enough of a drawback that it's a $2 card instead of a $4 card. But I only listed it as honorable mention because there are times that you'd rather put a card back.
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Re: Missing again!
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2013, 04:40:21 pm »
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I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
I don't see how Courtyard fits.

Because of Smithy, or any +3 cards card. After you draw 3 cards, it's generally considered a drawback of the card that you have to put one back on top of your deck. Enough of a drawback that it's a $2 card instead of a $4 card. But I only listed it as honorable mention because there are times that you'd rather put a card back.
Right. I have, for some reason, always thought the topdecking part of Courtyard is the thing and that the +3 cards is just a bonus to make up for the loss of two cards and one action.
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« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2013, 05:12:30 pm »
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I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
I don't see how Courtyard fits.

Because of Smithy, or any +3 cards card. After you draw 3 cards, it's generally considered a drawback of the card that you have to put one back on top of your deck. Enough of a drawback that it's a $2 card instead of a $4 card. But I only listed it as honorable mention because there are times that you'd rather put a card back.
Right. I have, for some reason, always thought the topdecking part of Courtyard is the thing and that the +3 cards is just a bonus to make up for the loss of two cards and one action.

That's actually a neat way of looking at it. Now that I think about it, Embassy might be considered a better comparison than Smithy... both net you +1 card... Courtyard gets you the best 6 out of 7; Embassy the best 6 out of 9. But Embassy is non-Terminal; and doesn't give you the possibly beneficial top-decking.
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« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2013, 05:57:16 pm »
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I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
I don't see how Courtyard fits.

Because of Smithy, or any +3 cards card. After you draw 3 cards, it's generally considered a drawback of the card that you have to put one back on top of your deck. Enough of a drawback that it's a $2 card instead of a $4 card. But I only listed it as honorable mention because there are times that you'd rather put a card back.
Right. I have, for some reason, always thought the topdecking part of Courtyard is the thing and that the +3 cards is just a bonus to make up for the loss of two cards and one action.

That's actually a neat way of looking at it. Now that I think about it, Embassy might be considered a better comparison than Smithy... both net you +1 card... Courtyard gets you the best 6 out of 7; Embassy the best 6 out of 9. But Embassy is non-Terminal; and doesn't give you the possibly beneficial top-decking.

Embassy is terminal.
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« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2013, 11:15:39 pm »
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I thought the criteria was "If you have only 1 buy and unlimited money, what is a card that you would never buy, assuming another certain card is on the board."  As in, what cards have a card that is strictly superior at all times.  City is not always superior, Trusty Stead can't be bought.
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« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2013, 08:48:38 am »
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I mean, the criteria of this puzzle is a little subjective, which is why Hamlet and Oasis have * next to them. You could also argue that Courtyard fits the list. I was only planning on including Kingdom Cards, though.
I don't see how Courtyard fits.

Because of Smithy, or any +3 cards card. After you draw 3 cards, it's generally considered a drawback of the card that you have to put one back on top of your deck. Enough of a drawback that it's a $2 card instead of a $4 card. But I only listed it as honorable mention because there are times that you'd rather put a card back.
Right. I have, for some reason, always thought the topdecking part of Courtyard is the thing and that the +3 cards is just a bonus to make up for the loss of two cards and one action.

That's actually a neat way of looking at it. Now that I think about it, Embassy might be considered a better comparison than Smithy... both net you +1 card... Courtyard gets you the best 6 out of 7; Embassy the best 6 out of 9. But Embassy is non-Terminal; and doesn't give you the possibly beneficial top-decking.

Embassy is terminal.

I have no idea what I was thinking.
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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2013, 08:51:04 am »
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I thought the criteria was "If you have only 1 buy and unlimited money, what is a card that you would never buy, assuming another certain card is on the board."  As in, what cards have a card that is strictly superior at all times.  City is not always superior, Trusty Stead can't be bought.

I agree, which is why neither of those were on the list. But isn't that basically what an honorable mention is? Something that doesn't fit the list, but would if the criteria were loosened slightly. In this case, Shanty Town would fit if the criteria were loosened to "Kingdom cards whose effects are strictly inferior to the effects of some other card."
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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2013, 04:35:09 pm »
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Eh, I suppose.  I thought the honorable mentions were cards that could conceivably better than the "strictly superior" card (ie. Courtyard/Smithy).

I assume Moneylender is just because of Counterfeit, but is honorable just 'cus of TR/KC?
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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2013, 09:08:36 am »
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Eh, I suppose.  I thought the honorable mentions were cards that could conceivably better than the "strictly superior" card (ie. Courtyard/Smithy).

I assume Moneylender is just because of Counterfeit, but is honorable just 'cus of TR/KC?

Yes, but not only TR/KC. Treasure cards and action cards are different enough from each other that they play differently. TR, KC, Procession, Tactician, Conspirator, Peddler, Draw-to-X, Menagerie, Scrying Pool, Graverobber, Vineyard... all reasons you might wish you had an action card instead of a treasure card. Of course the Menagerie one only matters if you have multiple Moneylenders in your deck, which would be weird.
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