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[gman314]

When playing in veto mode and you don't veto last, planning your strategy and then blindly going for it before realizing that a key component has been vetoed.

[Morgrim7]

Building a great engine and realizing that Possession was on the board the hard way.

[shMerker]

Trashing my potion because I already have all the Alchemists I need.

[soulnet]

I don't know if they qualify as silly, I certainly feel silly when I do it, but I overtrash and overbuild A LOT.

[ehunt]

yesterday i played a fun game with fishing village, duchess, duke, and caravan. we both went for duchies early, and took the free duchesses (something I would do even without fishing village but which I think is undebate-ably the right move with fishing villages).

many times in the game i'd have loads of extra actions (from having played fishing villages the turn before) and blindly play my caravans, when I could instead have used duchess to check if i was drawing a bad card or not. the most frustrating part was that I did this at least twice even after realizing that I was making a mistake.

basically, the top four reasons i will never be a top ten dominion player:
1. playing on autopilot like this
2. trying to make fun but bad cards work
3. ragequitting when there's a 20% chance of winning
4. obi wan bonogi

[kn1tt3r]

I sometimes forget about the option to Farmland + Gold=>Province and just buy a Province with all my treasure.

[achmed_sender]

I always try to find a n edge case to make scout work

*Switching to serious mode* Maybe try to build an engine when theres no engine possible ( in most cases because of lack of draw in my case)
And yes the farmland example, i just forget it all the times to use it in lategame

[Jimmmmm]

Today I played a Followers (which I passed to myself via Possession/Masquerade, but that's another story) after playing 4 Council Rooms and a Possession. Also, the Curses were gone and I'd drawn my whole deck, so I wasted it all for a measly Estate.

[Grujah]

I sometimes forget about the option to Farmland + Gold=>Province and just buy a Province with all my treasure.

Unless that is definetely your last shuffle, buying Province is better than Farmlanding a Gold.

[eHalcyon]

I sometimes forget about the option to Farmland + Gold=>Province and just buy a Province with all my treasure.

Unless that is definetely your last shuffle, buying Province is better than Farmlanding a Gold.

Unless you have no need for the Gold and/or you REALLY need the extra 2VP in a tight race.

But yeah, buying Province is usually better.

[GendoIkari]

I sometimes forget about the option to Farmland + Gold=>Province and just buy a Province with all my treasure.

Unless that is definetely your last shuffle, buying Province is better than Farmlanding a Gold.

Unless you have no need for the Gold and/or you REALLY need the extra 2VP in a tight race.

But yeah, buying Province is usually better.

That's what I thought, but when I made a similar comment, it was debated... http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5159.msg123995#msg123995

[Stealth Tomato]

4. obi wan bonogi

+1

[GendoIkari]

yesterday i played a fun game with fishing village, duchess, duke, and caravan. we both went for duchies early, and took the free duchesses (something I would do even without fishing village but which I think is undebate-ably the right move with fishing villages).

many times in the game i'd have loads of extra actions (from having played fishing villages the turn before) and blindly play my caravans, when I could instead have used duchess to check if i was drawing a bad card or not. the most frustrating part was that I did this at least twice even after realizing that I was making a mistake.

basically, the top four reasons i will never be a top ten dominion player:
1. playing on autopilot like this
2. trying to make fun but bad cards work
3. ragequitting when there's a 20% chance of winning
4. obi wan bonogi

Assuming you weren't drawing your deck... Duchess only helps when the top card of your deck is bad, right? The odds of the top card of your deck being bad is the same as the odds of the second-to-top card of your deck being bad. So as many times as you drew a bad card because you played Caravan before playing Duchess, you also saved yourself from drawing a bad card for your next hand by playing Caravan before Duchess...

Granted, cards now are generally going to be worth a bit more than cards next turn, but as a whole, it doesn't seem horrible to play your Duchess second; so long as you still play it.

[ehunt]

yesterday i played a fun game with fishing village, duchess, duke, and caravan. we both went for duchies early, and took the free duchesses (something I would do even without fishing village but which I think is undebate-ably the right move with fishing villages).

many times in the game i'd have loads of extra actions (from having played fishing villages the turn before) and blindly play my caravans, when I could instead have used duchess to check if i was drawing a bad card or not. the most frustrating part was that I did this at least twice even after realizing that I was making a mistake.

basically, the top four reasons i will never be a top ten dominion player:
1. playing on autopilot like this
2. trying to make fun but bad cards work
3. ragequitting when there's a 20% chance of winning
4. obi wan bonogi

Assuming you weren't drawing your deck... Duchess only helps when the top card of your deck is bad, right? The odds of the top card of your deck being bad is the same as the odds of the second-to-top card of your deck being bad. So as many times as you drew a bad card because you played Caravan before playing Duchess, you also saved yourself from drawing a bad card for your next hand by playing Caravan before Duchess...

Granted, cards now are generally going to be worth a bit more than cards next turn, but as a whole, it doesn't seem horrible to play your Duchess second; so long as you still play it.

Good point. I forgot to consider the next turn. I do think from an information-standpoint it's still best to play duchess first (e.g. the copper I'm about to draw could be the fifth copper I need for a Duke; on the other hand the copper I am saving for next turn is probably good but might be bad if it's preventing me from drawing a silver). But it's less of a mistake than I was saying.

[yudantaiteki]

I have a bigger problem with Scavenger/Salvager.

Courtyard/Crossroads for me.

[NoMoreFun]

I always buy the first Province/Colony if I can afford it, even when it contradicts my strategy.

Also I confuse Expand and Forge.

[philosophyguy]

I'm still having a problem remembering that Mercenary draws when you trash, and I always use my last action on it rather than playing it earlier, when I have spare actions.

[HiveMindEmulator]

I sometimes forget about the option to Farmland + Gold=>Province and just buy a Province with all my treasure.

Unless that is definetely your last shuffle, buying Province is better than Farmlanding a Gold.

Unless you have no need for the Gold and/or you REALLY need the extra 2VP in a tight race.

But yeah, buying Province is usually better.

Depends on what you mean by "usually". You buy the Farmland when you'd rather have Farmland than Gold, which is potentially a lot of the time in the late game. It's pretty similar to the question of Harem vs Gold. Farmland is a little worse than Harem since you can't spend the virtual $2 on anything but Provinces, but it's still better than Gold a lot of the time.

[eHalcyon]

I sometimes forget about the option to Farmland + Gold=>Province and just buy a Province with all my treasure.

Unless that is definetely your last shuffle, buying Province is better than Farmlanding a Gold.

Unless you have no need for the Gold and/or you REALLY need the extra 2VP in a tight race.

But yeah, buying Province is usually better.

Depends on what you mean by "usually". You buy the Farmland when you'd rather have Farmland than Gold, which is potentially a lot of the time in the late game. It's pretty similar to the question of Harem vs Gold. Farmland is a little worse than Harem since you can't spend the virtual $2 on anything but Provinces, but it's still better than Gold a lot of the time.

But when would you rather have Farmland than Gold.  As per the earlier conversation, I think the main reasons would be if you won't see that card again and if the race is particularly tight and the 2VP is important.

What other reasons are there?

Silk Road, Fairgrounds?  Market Square to gain a replacement Gold?

[HiveMindEmulator]

I sometimes forget about the option to Farmland + Gold=>Province and just buy a Province with all my treasure.

Unless that is definetely your last shuffle, buying Province is better than Farmlanding a Gold.

Unless you have no need for the Gold and/or you REALLY need the extra 2VP in a tight race.

But yeah, buying Province is usually better.

Depends on what you mean by "usually". You buy the Farmland when you'd rather have Farmland than Gold, which is potentially a lot of the time in the late game. It's pretty similar to the question of Harem vs Gold. Farmland is a little worse than Harem since you can't spend the virtual $2 on anything but Provinces, but it's still better than Gold a lot of the time.

But when would you rather have Farmland than Gold.  As per the earlier conversation, I think the main reasons would be if you won't see that card again and if the race is particularly tight and the 2VP is important.

What other reasons are there?

Silk Road, Fairgrounds?  Market Square to gain a replacement Gold?

Basically what you said: you won't see it again multiple times, and you want the 2 VP. And also things that like VP cards, like Crossroads. But really, any time you have some consistency in your deck, if you're hitting $9 including a Gold, it might as well be a Farmland.

[Piemaster]

(dumb post, please ignore)

[kn1tt3r]

One stupid thing I sometimes do is to play Conspirators before my other 'activating' actions, especially when I have plenty of them (like in double Tact. decks).

[ftl]

I don't think your cases are quite right, piemaster. You mis-analyzed your case 3. If the gold is on top, then playing both duchess first and caravan first will give you $8 in hand, with the difference being whether the the estate gets discarded or not.

[Piemaster]

Hmmm, you're right, ignore my post.  That's what I get for trying to make an analytical post at 6am

[jaybeez]

Buying Estate with $3 or $4 in the very late game when Tunnel is on the board.  Buying Duchy with $6 when Fairgrounds is on the board (and would be worth 4 VP for me).