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[Insomniac]

7 Wonders and Agricola knocked out? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

Race for the Galaxy
Kingdom Builder
Innovation
Pass
7 Wonders

[michaeljb]

Race for the Galaxy
Kingdom Builder

Poker
pass
Agricola

Once again, I can only vote for the games I have actually played...except for Bonus Match 7. Hearts and 7 Wonders are both great, but Agricola is one of my favorites.

[soulnet]

Race for the Galaxy
Power Grid

Whatever happens now, its already incredibly sad that every game I love is out before the semifinals.

[Kuildeous]

Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization
Power Grid



Again, I'm voting on bonus matches without having played all the games, but that is allowed.

Bonus Match 5
Ghost Stories

Bonus Match 6
Le Havre

Bonus Match 7
Citadels

[ipofanes]

Through the Ages
Power Grid

[Watno]

I don't get how Kingdom Builder got so far. I mean it's not a bad game, but it's not really good either. Obviously it has to do with people here being Donald X fanboys, but of the Donald X games I have played (Dominion, Kingdom Builder, Gauntlet of Fools and Nefarious), it's easily the worst.

[Insomniac]

I don't get how Kingdom Builder got so far. I mean it's not a bad game, but it's not really good either. Obviously it has to do with people here being Donald X fanboys, but of the Donald X games I have played (Dominion, Kingdom Builder, Gauntlet of Fools and Nefarious), it's easily the worst.

Strongly Disagree. Kingdom Builder is an amazing game and won the SDJ.

[ipofanes]

So did Auf Achse and Heimlich & Co.

[Watno]

It's a good game for SDJ audience, and I can play it with my family. but I wouldn't ever suggest it in my gaming group or call it a favourite.

[Insomniac]

So did Auf Achse and Heimlich & Co.

So did Dominion.

[soulnet]

So did Dominion.

That really adds nothing. You used for all x SDJ(x) => GoodGame(x), and as I understand Watno provided an example contradicting that. The fact that you know of a particular game x such that SDJ(x) => GoodGame(x) provides no evidence to support that for some other game y SDJ(y) => GoodGame(y).

Yes, I am sad that all my favorite games are out of contest, so I am rambling about other things.

[Insomniac]

So did Dominion.

That really adds nothing. You used for all x SDJ(x) => GoodGame(x), and as I understand Watno provided an example contradicting that. The fact that you know of a particular game x such that SDJ(x) => GoodGame(x) provides no evidence to support that for some other game y SDJ(y) => GoodGame(y).

Yes, I am sad that all my favorite games are out of contest, so I am rambling about other things.

I have not played either of the games given as contradictions, nor did I intend my claim to mean that winning an SDJ makes a game good. I claimed that I liked Kingdom Builder and it won an SDJ (and has made it thus far in the tourney) thusly I must assume that I am not the only one that believes Kingdom Builder is a good game. I was simply referencing an award that it won from an outside source that is not clearly DxV fanboys.

[soulnet]

I have not played either of the games given as contradictions, nor did I intend my claim to mean that winning an SDJ makes a game good. I claimed that I liked Kingdom Builder and it won an SDJ (and has made it thus far in the tourney) thusly I must assume that I am not the only one that believes Kingdom Builder is a good game. I was simply referencing an award that it won from an outside source that is not clearly DxV fanboys.

The apparent fallacy I pointed out was not in this original argument, which BTW I think its reasonable, but in the "so did Dominion" remark, which did not reinforce the argument nor provide any new arguments regarding Kingdom Builder or the "fanboys" issue or anything related. Thus, the "add nothing" at the beginning of my message.

[rrenaud]

The fact that you know of a particular game x such that SDJ(x) => GoodGame(x) provides no evidence to support that for some other game y SDJ(y) => GoodGame(y).

and yet supervised learning works somehow.

[Piemaster]

Through the Ages
Power Grid

Poker
Eclipse
Agricola

[Ozle]

I have not played either of the games given as contradictions, nor did I intend my claim to mean that winning an SDJ makes a game good. I claimed that I liked Kingdom Builder and it won an SDJ (and has made it thus far in the tourney) thusly I must assume that I am not the only one that believes Kingdom Builder is a good game. I was simply referencing an award that it won from an outside source that is not clearly DxV fanboys.

The apparent fallacy I pointed out was not in this original argument, which BTW I think its reasonable, but in the "so did Dominion" remark, which did not reinforce the argument nor provide any new arguments regarding Kingdom Builder or the "fanboys" issue or anything related. Thus, the "add nothing" at the beginning of my message.

Surely though if the original example listed bad games that won the SDJ, listing a counter argument of other good games helps raise the accuracy of the SDJ back up a little when determinign ifit can make good games.

and with no other outside source, if you are ranking games you have neaver heard ofor played, then one that has Won the SDJ will have a better chance of being good than one that hasn't? (Note: Chance, not 'will be')

[soulnet]

Surely though if the original example listed bad games that won the SDJ, listing a counter argument of other good games helps raise the accuracy of the SDJ back up a little when determinign ifit can make good games.

and with no other outside source, if you are ranking games you have neaver heard ofor played, then one that has Won the SDJ will have a better chance of being good than one that hasn't? (Note: Chance, not 'will be')

I hardly think citing one example of a good game that won the SDJ right after an example of a bad game is really bad strategy if you are planning on some using statistical arguments. Maybe if instead of 1 he had cited a list of 10 or 20 examples, then the statistical significance of the post would have been clear.

[mith]

One more day for votes...

[mith]

Previous Results:

Match 61: Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization 8-7 Race for the Galaxy
Match 62: Power Grid 10-6 Kingdom Builder
Bonus Match 5: Poker (5), Ghost Stories (3), Innovation (3), The Resistance (1), Village (1)
Bonus Match 6: Caylus (3), Eclipse (2), Le Havre (2), Android: Netrunner (0)
Bonus Match 7: Agricola (7), 7 Wonders (5), Hearts (1), Citadels (1)

(Bonus 5 were the games receiving the most votes on Bonus 1-4, which were the next games on each of the 16 nomination lists. Bonus 6 were the top four by BGG rating which weren't in this tournament. Bonus 7 were the closest losers to the four semi-finalists.)

Match 63
Through the Ages: A Story of Civilization
Power Grid

Third Place Match
Race for the Galaxy
Kingdom Builder

[mith]

Through the Ages
Race for the Galaxy

[eHalcyon]

How about

Unofficial Bonus Match: Hearts vs. Spades... vs. Bridge?

[Thisisnotasmile]

Through the Ages
Kingdom Builder

No more bonuses?

TTA is an easy decision. KB vs RFTG was tough, but I'm more inclined to play a game of KB when suggested so that's my vote.

[ipofanes]

Tough one, but Through the Ages gets the nod.

[Ozle]

Pass

[Watno]

Through the Ages
Race for the Galaxy