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[clb]

Beta is open! See you there.

[ftl]

Minus possession. That might be a plus for a lot of people

[Tables]

Oh man I'm so gonna see what I can break with Poss... oh.

[Beyond Awesome]

I can't get the Alchemy cards. It says I purchased it, so I tried buying the Mega Pack again, and still the cards won't show up in my account.

On a side note, I do like the way the new store looks

[clb]

They said they allow re-connects now for faulty connections. That will be nice to get working well.

[Tables]

I can't get the Alchemy cards. It says I purchased it, so I tried buying the Mega Pack again, and still the cards won't show up in my account.

On a side note, I do like the way the new store looks

Same issue here. As I said to you in the chat there though, it's no real issue for me.

[LastFootnote]

I'm a bit surprised they launched it without Possession, even in Beta. It's the card that'll need the most testing. Are they planning on releasing it to the public beta without Possession?

[ftl]

They probably launched it without possession precisely because it's the card that's hardest, and it's simply not ready for testing yet.

[Beyond Awesome]

I also wonder about Stash and Black Market. Both of those cards can be problematic as well.

[LastFootnote]

They probably launched it without possession precisely because it's the card that's hardest, and it's simply not ready for testing yet.

Clearly. But they could have waited until they were finished.

[ftl]

Why not get more testing for the other cards first?

[Insomniac]

I can't build decks with alchemy cards

[Insomniac]

Nor am I getting them randomly it would seem

[Beyond Awesome]

Nor am I getting them randomly it would seem

Tables and I are having the same problem.

[werothegreat]

I tried the clearing of the cache, but, alas, I, too, cannot access Alchemy.  Commas!

I would also like to add that I also like the new store.

[michaeljb]

Same--in the store it tells me I have already purchased Alchemy, in the deckbuilder Alchemy is in "Available Sets" which links to the store.

[Beyond Awesome]

I sent them an email, so hopefully this gets fixed soon.

[Insomniac]

Still broken for me.

[Beyond Awesome]

They responded to my email and said they would get on it, so I would expect sometime today we should be able to access the cards.

[Tables]

It's working now.

There's a bug they're aware of that Potion can appear as a kingdom card. I have a half-suspicious they did that as a placeholder for Possession, but whatever. If they know it's there, I don't think it's offensive in the private beta.

[michaeljb]

So I can't get on to GetSatisfaction (telling me to check my email for the verification code, but not actually sending me the verification code), so I'll just leave this here...

"When you discard this from play" effects should happen in an order the player chooses. Right now, Herbalist resolves before Alchemist, so Alchemist+Herbalist has turned into a nombo. Off the top of my head, Treasury and Scheme also care about that timing event.

[werothegreat]

So I can't get on to GetSatisfaction (telling me to check my email for the verification code, but not actually sending me the verification code), so I'll just leave this here...

"When you discard this from play" effects should happen in an order the player chooses. Right now, Herbalist resolves before Alchemist, so Alchemist+Herbalist has turned into a nombo. Off the top of my head, Treasury and Scheme also care about that timing event.

What would be nice would be, at the end of turns like this, to have a menu pop up with each differently named card listed, and a checkbox next to it labelled "all."  So if you have Scheme, Alchemist, Treasury and Herbalist there, instead of trying to hit the sliver of card visible, you check "all" for Treasury, then click its button, then check "all" for Alchemist, click its button, click once for Herbalist to put Potion back, and then check "all" for the Schemes, then click its button, to put the Herbalist and a Scheme back.

[Insomniac]

Still no alchemy for me even after a cache clear.

EDIT: I had to buy it again.

[Beyond Awesome]

So I can't get on to GetSatisfaction (telling me to check my email for the verification code, but not actually sending me the verification code), so I'll just leave this here...

"When you discard this from play" effects should happen in an order the player chooses. Right now, Herbalist resolves before Alchemist, so Alchemist+Herbalist has turned into a nombo. Off the top of my head, Treasury and Scheme also care about that timing event.

Confirmed. I emailed them. As it is now, Scheme resolves first, Herbalist second, Alchemist third, and Treasury fourth.

[Insomniac]

Does the deck builder work for anyone? I can't save a deck and I can't actually edit a deck unless I go the the multiplayer screen first (the page hangs after I hit add deck)

[Donald X.]

Does the deck builder work for anyone? I can't save a deck and I can't actually edit a deck unless I go the the multiplayer screen first (the page hangs after I hit add deck)

I'm not checking it today, but a few weeks ago I put in a set of 10 they said was challenging to beat and it worked fine.

[clb]

I was using it about 14 hours ago - might have crashed since then?

[clb]

Does the deck builder work for anyone? I can't save a deck and I can't actually edit a deck unless I go the the multiplayer screen first (the page hangs after I hit add deck)

I'm not checking it today, but a few weeks ago I put in a set of 10 they said was challenging to beat and it worked fine.

Challenging to beat their bot, or challenging for the bot to win? What was the deck?

[Insomniac]

I tried last night and a few times today on the beta site (beta.goko.com) and I haven't been able to.

I want to try playing with Tournament/Urchin/Mercenary/Maurader/Young Witch/Potion Cost Card/Colony+Platinum and see how the screen looks

[Donald X.]

Challenging to beat their bot, or challenging for the bot to win? What was the deck?

Challenging to beat two Lord Bottingtons at once (I beat them up and then they said the AI update hadn't gone out yet). It's a classic pure-Cornucopia thing; if you have played a bunch of Cornucopia you will know how things will go here.

Hamlet, Menagerie, Farming Village, Horse Traders, Remake, Tournament, Young Witch, Harvest, Horn of Plenty, Fairgrounds
(Fortune Teller as bane)

[Kirian]

OK, I have to give props where props are due, the store is much, much, much nicer now.

[Beyond Awesome]

OK, I have to give props where props are due, the store is much, much, much nicer now.

Ironically, their website looks better than anything else on their website, as if it came from another dimension or something.

[Insomniac]

I got it to work, I'm not keen on how potion hovers over the log and chat buttons but other than that its not bad, only 2 pages albeit full pages

[Beyond Awesome]

I got it to work, I'm not keen on how potion hovers over the log and chat buttons but other than that its not bad, only 2 pages albeit full pages

Well, I do prefer that than Potions being on the next page over.

[Kirian]

I tried last night and a few times today on the beta site (beta.goko.com) and I haven't been able to.

I want to try playing with Tournament/Urchin/Mercenary/Maurader/Young Witch/Potion Cost Card/Colony+Platinum and see how the screen looks

I set up a game with:

Tournament, Young Witch, Cultist, Bandit Camp, Scrying Pool, Knights, Hermit, Urchin, and extra randoms.

There are two full pages of cards (11 in Kingdom, 5 Prizes, Spoils, Mercenary, Madman, Ruins).  The "view cards" button is four pages total.

The right-side cards (Platinum, Gold, Silver, Copper, Estate, Curse, Potion) partially cover up the Log and View Cards buttons at the bottom.  They're still clickable, but it's a lot harder to do it.

[clb]

Challenging to beat their bot, or challenging for the bot to win? What was the deck?

Challenging to beat two Lord Bottingtons at once (I beat them up and then they said the AI update hadn't gone out yet). It's a classic pure-Cornucopia thing; if you have played a bunch of Cornucopia you will know how things will go here.

Hamlet, Menagerie, Farming Village, Horse Traders, Remake, Tournament, Young Witch, Harvest, Horn of Plenty, Fairgrounds
(Fortune Teller as bane)

Thanks - looks like fun.

[onigame]

So I can't get on to GetSatisfaction (telling me to check my email for the verification code, but not actually sending me the verification code), so I'll just leave this here...

"When you discard this from play" effects should happen in an order the player chooses. Right now, Herbalist resolves before Alchemist, so Alchemist+Herbalist has turned into a nombo. Off the top of my head, Treasury and Scheme also care about that timing event.

Confirmed. I emailed them. As it is now, Scheme resolves first, Herbalist second, Alchemist third, and Treasury fourth.

You forgot Hermit.  Hermit-Scheme is a very messy combo as far as User Interface is concerned.

Anyway, they deemed that getting Alchemy cards on Beta was more important than fixing all the timing issues involved in the Clean-up phase, but they definitely are aware of it since I sent them a long chunk of pseudocode a month ago.

Donald has told them that a switch of priority between Herbalist and Alchemist should fix most realistic issues; I don't know what the progress is on that yet.

[werothegreat]

So I can't get on to GetSatisfaction (telling me to check my email for the verification code, but not actually sending me the verification code), so I'll just leave this here...

"When you discard this from play" effects should happen in an order the player chooses. Right now, Herbalist resolves before Alchemist, so Alchemist+Herbalist has turned into a nombo. Off the top of my head, Treasury and Scheme also care about that timing event.

Confirmed. I emailed them. As it is now, Scheme resolves first, Herbalist second, Alchemist third, and Treasury fourth.

You forgot Hermit.  Hermit-Scheme is a very messy combo as far as User Interface is concerned.

Anyway, they deemed that getting Alchemy cards on Beta was more important than fixing all the timing issues involved in the Clean-up phase, but they definitely are aware of it since I sent them a long chunk of pseudocode a month ago.

Donald has told them that a switch of priority between Herbalist and Alchemist should fix most realistic issues; I don't know what the progress is on that yet.

...or let us choose what order to resolve them in.   OR have an option in some settings menu where you can either choose to have options go through the most likely order (the default option), or to be able to choose the order yourself.  Maybe sometimes you want that Outpost turn to come first, and maybe sometimes you want that 2nd Possessed turn to come first.

[Morgrim7]

I haven't been to Goko in months. Is it worth going back?

[LastFootnote]

I haven't been to Goko in months. Is it worth going back?

I'd say so. They've got everything but Alchemy, Black Market, and Stash implemented and the interface is good for the most part. Whenever I play online Dominion, that's where I go.

[Morgrim7]

I haven't been to Goko in months. Is it worth going back?

I'd say so. They've got everything but Alchemy, Black Market, and Stash implemented and the interface is good for the most part. Whenever I play online Dominion, that's where I go.

ill try it out, then. thanks!

[onigame]

Donald has told them that a switch of priority between Herbalist and Alchemist should fix most realistic issues; I don't know what the progress is on that yet.

...or let us choose what order to resolve them in.   OR have an option in some settings menu where you can either choose to have options go through the most likely order (the default option), or to be able to choose the order yourself.  Maybe sometimes you want that Outpost turn to come first, and maybe sometimes you want that 2nd Possessed turn to come first.

You're missing the point.  Eventually the plan is to implement the game completely correctly, which of course includes letting the player choose what order to resolve things in, because those are the official rules.  The decision is between releasing something earlier that is easy to implement, or waiting until it's absolutely correct before releasing.  Also to balance against other audience desires -- for example, given the choice between having the standalone iOS app first, versus the timing of the Clean-up phase working perfectly first, I suspect a lot more people would want the standalone iOS app.

(Also, deciding whether the Possession or the Outpost phase comes first is not done in the Clean-Up phase.)

[Kirian]

Donald has told them that a switch of priority between Herbalist and Alchemist should fix most realistic issues; I don't know what the progress is on that yet.

...or let us choose what order to resolve them in.   OR have an option in some settings menu where you can either choose to have options go through the most likely order (the default option), or to be able to choose the order yourself.  Maybe sometimes you want that Outpost turn to come first, and maybe sometimes you want that 2nd Possessed turn to come first.

You're missing the point.  Eventually the plan is to implement the game completely correctly, which of course includes letting the player choose what order to resolve things in, because those are the official rules.  The decision is between releasing something earlier that is easy to implement, or waiting until it's absolutely correct before releasing.  Also to balance against other audience desires -- for example, given the choice between having the standalone iOS app first, versus the timing of the Clean-up phase working perfectly first, I suspect a lot more people would want the standalone iOS app.

(Also, deciding whether the Possession or the Outpost phase comes first is not done in the Clean-Up phase.)

I want to say that I'm incredibly happy to see onigame working with (for?) Goko on this.

[SharpWave]

This one seems to be taking quite a long time to release.  Given all the other sets that have been implemented, one would think the Alchemy cards would be super easy to implement (except Possession), unless the Goko programmers did something silly like not planning ahead for potions as part of the card cost when they implemented all of the other cards. 

[LastFootnote]

This one seems to be taking quite a long time to release.  Given all the other sets that have been implemented, one would think the Alchemy cards would be super easy to implement (except Possession), unless the Goko programmers did something silly like not planning ahead for potions as part of the card cost when they implemented all of the other cards.

This is the kicker. It's Possession that's taking so long. I'm guessing it requires a whole new, unique interface. Also, it's has some rules subtleties that are hard to get right.

I'm assuming that's also why we haven't seen Black Market or Stash yet. They each require a unique interface.

[SirPeebles]

I don't like the idea of cards being released before they are implemented properly, but I have no problem with Goko releasing all of Alchemy save for Possession until they get Possession dealt with.  I've already paid for Alchemy, so I'd rather start playing with the rest of the cards.  Possession is fun, but I'm really looking forward to seeing Rats interact with Apprentice, Scrying Pool, and Vineyard.  I also feel that Storeroom may have some nice synergy with Philosopher's Stone.

[Donald X.]

I don't like the idea of cards being released before they are implemented properly, but I have no problem with Goko releasing all of Alchemy save for Possession until they get Possession dealt with.  I've already paid for Alchemy, so I'd rather start playing with the rest of the cards.  Possession is fun, but I'm really looking forward to seeing Rats interact with Apprentice, Scrying Pool, and Vineyard.  I also feel that Storeroom may have some nice synergy with Philosopher's Stone.

It seems unlikely they'll put it out without Possession. It would look worse than the delay.

They programmed Possession. It probably has some obscure things that need fixing; I mentioned some things to check but did not check them personally. I haven't seen it with AI.

[onigame]

I don't like the idea of cards being released before they are implemented properly, but I have no problem with Goko releasing all of Alchemy save for Possession until they get Possession dealt with.  I've already paid for Alchemy, so I'd rather start playing with the rest of the cards.  Possession is fun, but I'm really looking forward to seeing Rats interact with Apprentice, Scrying Pool, and Vineyard.  I also feel that Storeroom may have some nice synergy with Philosopher's Stone.

It seems unlikely they'll put it out without Possession. It would look worse than the delay.

They programmed Possession. It probably has some obscure things that need fixing; I mentioned some things to check but did not check them personally. I haven't seen it with AI.

I have logged around 15 different bugs with Possession and other cards in alpha.  Most of them are now fixed.  The ones that aren't fixed have to do with the more general issue that the interface doesn't have a clean way of having the user select between multiple "on-X" effects that happen at the same time, and I'm working on a design for that.

Some of those bugs might end up not being fixed before release.  For example, if you trash Fortress on a turn when you're being Possessed, technically there is a choice you can make so that Fortress doesn't end up in your hand.  Since strategy-wise it is very rare that a Fortress in hand is worse than not having a Fortress in hand, currently the code just defaults to Fortress in hand.  (To do it properly would require a sequence picker.)

The most amusing bug I found in alpha is that Possession was mistakenly coded as an Attack 

[Donald X.]

Some of those bugs might end up not being fixed before release.  For example, if you trash Fortress on a turn when you're being Possessed, technically there is a choice you can make so that Fortress doesn't end up in your hand.  Since strategy-wise it is very rare that a Fortress in hand is worse than not having a Fortress in hand, currently the code just defaults to Fortress in hand.  (To do it properly would require a sequence picker.)

That is not so bad.

For Trader, it could just be, resolve Trader for the possessed player, then resolve Possession's when-would-gain, then resolve Trader for the possessing player. There's no point to being able to order the first Trader after Possession.

[werothegreat]

When you put Fortress in hand, are you gaining it?  Does it visit the trash pile?

[LastFootnote]

When you put Fortress in hand, are you gaining it?  Does it visit the trash pile?

You are not gaining it. I believe it visits the trash pile, yes.

[ftl]

You are not gaining it, and cannot activate any on-gain effects (like revealing trader or watchower).

[ftl]

Based on the faq, it appears that it does "visit" the trash pile since the faq says

If this is trashed, you take it from the trash and put it into your hand

but I'm not sure, though I don't think any other card currently cares whether it visits the trash pile or not so it doesn't matter.
 

[Donald X.]

When you put Fortress in hand, are you gaining it?  Does it visit the trash pile?

You aren't gaining it; it does visit the trash.

[onigame]

For Trader, it could just be, resolve Trader for the possessed player, then resolve Possession's when-would-gain, then resolve Trader for the possessing player. There's no point to being able to order the first Trader after Possession.

I'm glad that your proposed solution is what I told them to do.  There are only two "would gain" cards in the whole game, and one ordering is pointless, so don't bother trying to create a UI to let the player choose between the ordering.

Right now in alpha there's a bug with Trader, which is that the current implementation is "Possessee would gain" -> "Possessor gains", when it should be "Possessee would gain" -> "Possessor would gain" -> "Possessor gains".  But that should be fixed before the beta release.

[eHalcyon]

When you put Fortress in hand, are you gaining it?  Does it visit the trash pile?

Looking at the cards, I would say:

- Fortress does visit the Trash pile.  It says, "When you trash this", not "when you would trash this".
- When you put Fortress back in your hand, you are not gaining it.  It says "put it into your hand", not "gain it from the trash to your hand".

The decision that onigame mentions comes out of Possession.  When you trash a card while Possessed, it gets set aside until the end of the turn.  So when you trash Fortress, you can choose between setting it aside or putting it into your hand.  Resolving one effect means the other does not occur (due to lose track rule, I believe).  This can make a difference in cases where you might not want to have Fortress in your hand, e.g. Menagerie, Library.

[Donald X.]

The decision that onigame mentions comes out of Possession.  When you trash a card while Possessed, it gets set aside until the end of the turn.  So when you trash Fortress, you can choose between setting it aside or putting it into your hand.  Resolving one effect means the other does not occur (due to lose track rule, I believe).  This can make a difference in cases where you might not want to have Fortress in your hand, e.g. Menagerie, Library.

Again the situation here, to get a case where you would behave differently if only the program handled it, is:

- You Possess someone.
- During that turn you draw a Fortress and a way to trash it and trash the Fortress.
- You have at least one action remaining after that.
- You have a card in hand that could make you not want the Fortress - Menagerie, Library/Jack/Watchtower.
- As it happens in this situation you really do not want the Fortress.

This seems sufficiently rare to put off.

[SharpWave]

Still no Alchemy :-(  I keep checking every day.

[SharpWave]

Anyone have any estimates on the Alchemy release? 

[werothegreat]

Anyone have any estimates on the Alchemy release?

They said "in about 2 weeks" about 2 weeks ago.

[Beyond Awesome]

Anyone have any estimates on the Alchemy release?

They said "in about 2 weeks" about 2 weeks ago.

Goko has slowed down it seems since mid-Jan or so. They were doing good with updates and now, all of a sudden, nothing seems to be happening.

[Insomniac]

They also got rid of the only person who was talking to us.

[theory]

I believe JQS is intended to help fill Trisha's role.

[loppo]

according to this:
 https://getsatisfaction.com/goko/topics/purchased_superpack_2_but_still_no_alchemy

the release of alchemy is scheduled for mid-week.

[werothegreat]

It's mid-week, but still no Alchemy...

[Insomniac]

It's mid-week, but still no Alchemy...

There is another post on their somewhere that JQS said its gonna be coming out late this week to closed beta for people who pre bought Alchemy and a few days after that it'll release to the gen pop.

So sometime next week or the week after probably.

[Insomniac]

Specifically its the thread here.

https://getsatisfaction.com/goko/topics/frustrated_about_alchemy

[Beyond Awesome]

I'm guessing it goes up tonight on the private beta.

[werothegreat]

I'm guessing it goes up tonight on the private beta.

Alchemy's already on the private beta. 

[Insomniac]

No no no, Alchemy WITH possession goes up tonight.

[Beyond Awesome]

No no no, Alchemy WITH possession goes up tonight.

That's what I meant.

[Beyond Awesome]

Possession is up. Seems to work fine, however, there is no toggle option to look and see what cards are in your hand while you are possessing someone else. You just see your opponents hand.

[werothegreat]

The transition to your opponent's hand is kind of... awkward.  I feel like the whole thing should flash a different color or something.

[eHalcyon]

What happens when you do something with the Possessed hand that causes you to have to do something with your own hand?  For example, playing Militia, Bishop, Vault, Masquerade...

[Insomniac]

What happens when you do something with the Possessed hand that causes you to have to do something with your own hand?  For example, playing Militia, Bishop, Vault, Masquerade...

It switches back but thats even clunkier because it leaves your opponents photo where yours should be.

[Insomniac]

The update seems to have rolled out though I can't purchase Alchemy yet on the public server.

[Kirian]

I have a button I can click for Alchemy, though it's hard to tell.

That said... the "Mega Pack" appears to be more expensive than buying the individual games.  Is that a mistake?

[SharpWave]

So they rolled out an overhaul of the store interface, but didn't actually release alchemy?!!!!! WTF!!!!!!!  I went from very happy to very pissed off in less than a minute.  Someone didn't learn their lesson from the original botched rollout.

[Watno]

My understanding is that it is only available to people who purchased a pack including it before.

I don't see how the Mega pack is more expensive than buying the individual parts btw.

[Kirian]

My understanding is that it is only available to people who purchased a pack including it before.

I don't see how the Mega pack is more expensive than buying the individual parts btw.

Mega Pack is 540 bullshitcoins.
Super Pack 1 is 230.
Super Pack 2 is 140.
Dark Ages is 110.
230 + 140 + 110 = 480 < 540

It's not less expensive than if you buy everything at the 40 per pack price, sure.  And of course the problem is you have to buy bullshitcoins, but mostly they match up with the numbers needed.  I guess if you're OK with spending actual money on the coins that you get just for playing... well, then I start to worry about you.

[SharpWave]

Well that's a ton of help (not to mention, gratitude) to people like me who have been buying all of the packs individually, as soon as they come out, from the very beginning.  I'm playing on Goko because the dark ages cards make the game better and because eventually there will be no other choice, but definitely not because of the way they've been treating the dominion fanbase (mostly poor communication punctuated by occasional 3/4-assed attempts at decent relations). 

My understanding is that it is only available to people who purchased a pack including it before.

I don't see how the Mega pack is more expensive than buying the individual parts btw.

[Watno]

Ok, I failed. Some I was under the impression that the pack was cheaper.

[Watno]

Cheapest seems to be:
Intrigue, Seaside and Prosperity at 70 each = 210,
Hinterlands, Alchemy and Cornucopia in Super Pack 2 at 140
DA at 110
Total 460.

[Watno]

I think the Mega pack was cheaper before the update, thus my confusion.

[Kirian]

Cheapest seems to be:
Intrigue, Seaside and Prosperity at 70 each = 210,

I hadn't even noticed that one.  I imagine that wasn't their intent.  Or maybe it was?

Edit: Posted about it on GetSatisfaction, which I can now access.

[Watno]

I have reason to believe they didn't think about what they were doing.

[mameluke]

What's with the question marks on the Potion card?

[Beyond Awesome]

Yup. The prices increased with the latest rollout. It was originally 200 for Super Pack 1 and 140 for Super Pack 2, 110 for DA and 450 for the Mega Pack. You also can no longer buy 20 Gokoins. Why is this significant? Well, for me, that is because I have 24 Gokoins and that means when Guilds comes out, I will be forced to buy 40 more Gokoins instead of 20 Gokoins. I should have bought them when I had the chance. The ironic thing is that yesterday I was thinking to msyelf that I should just purchase the 20 Gokoins now so that I would have 40 Gokoins for when Guilds rolled out. lol. I should have listened to myself.

[werothegreat]

I'm pretty damn sure I bought Super Pack 2, but it's no longer saying I have.

EDIT: But I have access to Alchemy cards.  Odd.

[Watno]

I didn't think Goko was in a position to increase prices.

[Beyond Awesome]

I didn't think Goko was in a position to increase prices.

Apparently, they have. lol

[Kirian]

That's the thing, though, the individual packages haven't changed price.

[bedlam]

Cheapest seems to be:
Intrigue, Seaside and Prosperity at 70 each = 210,

I hadn't even noticed that one.  I imagine that wasn't their intent.  Or maybe it was?

The super packs also include "access to all their adventures". So you don't have to purchase the adventure finales when you buy the pack. That seems like a high price to pay for things you can purchase just by playing the game.

[Beyond Awesome]

Cheapest seems to be:
Intrigue, Seaside and Prosperity at 70 each = 210,

I hadn't even noticed that one.  I imagine that wasn't their intent.  Or maybe it was?

The super packs also include "access to all their adventures". So you don't have to purchase the adventure finales when you buy the pack. That seems like a high price to pay for things you can purchase just by playing the game.

Not true. You still have to purchase the finales, but 500 Dominion coins is nothing. It just means you can play the adventures for their respective sets. You can't do this if you don't own those sets.

[jhkokst]

Cheapest seems to be:
Intrigue, Seaside and Prosperity at 70 each = 210,
Hinterlands, Alchemy and Cornucopia in Super Pack 2 at 140
DA at 110
Total 460.

So...lemme get this straight.

The MegaPack, which they claim is the "best offer", is 80 gokoins more expensive than buying the sets Watno priced out.  That gets a big ol' dubya tee effffff.

Now, if you factor in pricing discounts for buying gokoins in bulk.  You could spend $40 exactly and have 460 gokoins for everything that is currently released.  Or, you can spend $45 and have 540 gokoins and blow them all on the same set via the Megapack.  Or, you can spend $45, get the 540, spend the coins on the sets as Watno priced out, and have 80 left over for when they release Guilds...

Regardless, the pricing scheme is currently very confusing and a misrepresentation of a perceived deal.

[Insomniac]

the megapak has zaps and dominion coins in it

[Watno]

And purchase of the Super pack 1 qualifies for the in-game ad removal in Dominion.

[AdamH]

And purchase of the Super pack 1 qualifies for the in-game ad removal in Dominion.

whoawhoawhoawaitwhoawaitWHAT?!

You're telling me that *paying money for the sets* is not enough to remove ads from Dominion? That there is a showstopper for me.

[Kuildeous]

And purchase of the Super pack 1 qualifies for the in-game ad removal in Dominion.

whoawhoawhoawaitwhoawaitWHAT?!

You're telling me that *paying money for the sets* is not enough to remove ads from Dominion? That there is a showstopper for me.

Yikes. I'm really hoping this is just some miscommunication.

I can see using ads to generate revenue for those who play for free. That's part and parcel for online games. But if a consumer pays money for the game, then ads should not be necessary.

I'm speaking from my ivory tower for I will buy everything when Guilds comes out, but I will protest someone owning just Alchemy having to endure ads (not to mention that he only owns Alchemy).

[theory]

It's not unprecedented.  For example, Hulu Plus (the for-pay version of Hulu) still shows ads, and those ads are way more intrusive since they interrupt the viewing experience.

[GendoIkari]

Well that's a ton of help (not to mention, gratitude) to people like me who have been buying all of the packs individually, as soon as they come out, from the very beginning. 

People who buy things individually as soon as they come out pretty much always get screwed... You bought each season of some TV show on DVD as it was released? Well, now that the entire series is on DVD, you can get the entire series set for far less than the total you paid for all the individual seasons. This seems pretty much the same to me.

Not to mention that you get things for cheaper when they aren't as new. Don't want to pay $25 for that new movie that was just released on Blu-Ray? Then wait a few months and get it for $10.

[Polk5440]

And purchase of the Super pack 1 qualifies for the in-game ad removal in Dominion.

What is this in game ad business? I haven't purchased anything yet (but I am contemplating it), and I haven't seen any ads.

[GendoIkari]

It's not unprecedented.  For example, Hulu Plus (the for-pay version of Hulu) still shows ads, and those ads are way more intrusive since they interrupt the viewing experience.

Almost all cable television channels have commercials, even though you have to pay to have those channels.

[AdamH]

Not saying it isn't legal, and I'm not saying everybody should hate it, but this is news to *me* and it's a showstopper to *me*.

My Dominion itch is being fully scratched (there's something for the out-of-context thread) by playing IRL (as denoted by the recent trend of my iso level) and whilst it would be a shame to give up on online Dominion, ads are something I'm just not willing to put up with for a product I pay for. I watch all of my TV shows on DVR, I'm a loser and I don't buy movies pretty much ever, and when I'm driving, my eyes are firmly affixed to the road. That's just how I roll.

[Beyond Awesome]

In one of the Q&A's, they said buying a single 40 Gokoin expansion is enough for ad removal.

[Kuildeous]

In one of the Q&A's, they said buying a single 40 Gokoin expansion is enough for ad removal.

I feel better already.

[Polk5440]

Cheapest seems to be:
Intrigue, Seaside and Prosperity at 70 each = 210,
Hinterlands, Alchemy and Cornucopia in Super Pack 2 at 140
DA at 110
Total 460.

And 2x230 gokoins for $40 means no Gokoins left over.

Thanks for pointing this out. I just made this purchase.

[Donald X.]

In one of the Q&A's, they said buying a single 40 Gokoin expansion is enough for ad removal.

That is my understanding.

[SharpWave]

Seriously, what's the hold up with making Alchemy available for individual purchase?  Seems like a "flick of the switch" kind of thing, and given that I already own all the other sets it makes no sense for me to buy a supermegapack or whatever Goko's calling it.

[DG]

From what I've seen in beta, the bots don't know how to play with potions yet. There are a few bugs too.

[Insomniac]

Seems its available to everyone now as I was able to purchase it.

[Kirian]

In one of the Q&A's, they said buying a single 40 Gokoin expansion is enough for ad removal.

That is my understanding.

Any chance we can get confirmation on that?  I currently have all the sets, and am still getting plenty of ads to buy... things I already have.

[loppo]

the only "ad" (as you see it) that you will get is on the home screen, where they put the "news" (how goko sees it) about the game. And you will see the home screen usually only 1-2times per session. I have never seen any other form of ads on the whole site. What other kind of ads do you get?

[Kirian]

the only "ad" (as you see it) that you will get is on the home screen, where they put the "news" (how goko sees it) about the game. And you will see the home screen usually only 1-2times per session. I have never seen any other form of ads on the whole site. What other kind of ads do you get?

Yeah, but that's not... "news."  And sometimes similar things will show up after a game.

[Insomniac]

the only "ad" (as you see it) that you will get is on the home screen, where they put the "news" (how goko sees it) about the game. And you will see the home screen usually only 1-2times per session. I have never seen any other form of ads on the whole site. What other kind of ads do you get?

Yeah, but that's not... "news."  And sometimes similar things will show up after a game.

Thats not ad's either, the ads are something you have to watch before you play a game.

[Donald X.]

Any chance we can get confirmation on that?  I currently have all the sets, and am still getting plenty of ads to buy... things I already have.

I was referring to ads that I haven't actually seen, since I haven't played without having something, that I am told appear in some circumstances. Other people can tell you about them or you can try playing as a guest to see them. The uh banner ad that shows up after a game or on the main menu, I see those. I have told them that it's silly to have an ad for something the person already bought.

[LastFootnote]

Yes, the "ads" that people refer to are videos that play before a match loads. The little boxes telling you which expansions are available are unobtrusive enough to me that they barely register.

[Kirian]

Yes, the "ads" that people refer to are videos that play before a match loads. The little boxes telling you which expansions are available are unobtrusive enough to me that they barely register.

Huh, yeah, I had never experienced those videos.  Other ads, though... they've designed them to be deliberately annoying, what with the movement.

[Watno]

I never get any of those adds and haven't bought anything.

[DStu]

I never get any of those adds and haven't bought anything.

but you have played on Goko?

[Watno]

yeah, quite a bit.

[LastFootnote]

Yes, the "ads" that people refer to are videos that play before a match loads. The little boxes telling you which expansions are available are unobtrusive enough to me that they barely register.

Huh, yeah, I had never experienced those videos.  Other ads, though... they've designed them to be deliberately annoying, what with the movement.

Movement? I don't think I'm familiar with those.