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[Galzria]

Why would scum kill TheMunch? He was first onto Robz's case.

Because he was town and everybody read him as such. Maybe he gave off PR vibes, but I find it more likely that they didn't want a "trusted" townie running around

[Drab Emordnilap]

I'm interested to see whether there's 3 Fool claims. I don't think we ever agreed that Fools should claim right away Day 2, and if someone's going to fakeclaim, they should be the first to claim, not the last.

[Axxle]

I'm interested to see whether there's 3 Fool claims. I don't think we ever agreed that Fools should claim right away Day 2, and if someone's going to fakeclaim, they should be the first to claim, not the last.

I think they should, the day is really short.

[Axxle]

Well, time to claim.

I'm a Fool (Just because Insomniac really wanted to see that claim. I'm sure he's cracking up right now).

And I'm very interested in finding out if Axxle is town. However, I would like thoughts from everybody else (not named Axxle of course).

Well, that's nice.

How about you try the town mislynch? Eevee, Archetype, Drab Emordnilap

[mcmcsalot]

bah, told you robz was town...also im the other fool.

[Galzria]

Well, time to claim.

I'm a Fool (Just because Insomniac really wanted to see that claim. I'm sure he's cracking up right now).

And I'm very interested in finding out if Axxle is town. However, I would like thoughts from everybody else (not named Axxle of course).

Well, that's nice.

How about you try the town mislynch? Eevee, Archetype, Drab Emordnilap

Because Robz deserved to be lynched, and I feel it's more likely that his wagon was town made than scum made, and you've done nothing useful all game while calling others out for the same. Classic scum play.

[Axxle]

I still fail to see what your definition of useful is.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Well, that's nice.

How about you try the town mislynch? Eevee, Archetype, Drab Emordnilap

How about you try the other person Munch suspected?

[mcmcsalot]

I believe axxle is scum, then any one of drab, eevee, and arch

[Galzria]

I still fail to see what your definition of useful is.

And I fail to see what your definition of useless is.

So call it even.

[mcmcsalot]

well my best guess is axxle drab for now, eevee is the next best with arch coming in fourth. Jim is a town read for me, how do you feel galz

[Eevee]

my battery is dyinggg, I'll get to charge it in a couple of hours. haven't read anything past the flip. gah, such a rookie mistake.

[Drab Emordnilap]

So why am I your #2 scum read, mc?

[Axxle]

I still fail to see what your definition of useful is.

And I fail to see what your definition of useless is.

So call it even.

I was the one who got us out of RVS, no one else even tried.

I was giving reads before everyone else.

I was talking about our game instead of our metagame while the rest of the town wasted their time talking about the setup, which is clearly in the OPs, and talking about what scum and PRs *should* have done.  Things that don't further the town game *at all*.

I am really not scum.

[Drab Emordnilap]

I was the one who got us out of RVS, no one else even tried.

You STARTED random voting stage. Why did we need random voting anyways? We only get a day.

[Galzria]

I believe axxle is scum, then any one of drab, eevee, and arch

Indeed. That was the general conclusion I was at yesterday with:

So... I know how I feel about my top two scum reads. Chances are only one - if either - are ACTUALLY scum (I just don't have the confidence to go "Oh look, scumteam, game done"). I also know where I stand with my top two town reads. It's possible one is scum, but I'm comfortable saying not for now.

That's Munch/Drab and Axxle/Robz.

That leaves Jimmm/Arche/mcmc/Eevee

Given that there's likely a scum amongst them, and my reads are vague at best, I would like to hear the opinions of others on these 4.

This post. Obviously pulling you out of the middle 4 leaves Jimmm/Eevee/Arche - and yeah, Drab could probably slide back down into that group.

My general thoughts are that I'm highly suspicious of Jimmm first and foremost. He's been talkative elsewhere, but his presence is hugely lacking from this game. He would probably top any pairs list.

Next would be Arche - who, while I think Robz case on was bad - did have that whole "let's italicize our votes" thing that read as scum trying to be over-cautious town.

Next is a toss-up between Eevee and Drab. Eevee IS underposting, and it feels very, very out of character for him. Apathy and "I'm not posting much anywhere" has traditionally been a scum fall-back line for him. So I'm wary.

Drab was my strongest town read, although I'll admit that not knowing anything about him it's harder to get comfortable reads here. I would have no difficulty in seeing him as scum, but right now I just can't put my finger on it.

[Drab Emordnilap]

If a fool dies on night 1, do they flip fool, or villager?

[mcmcsalot]

drab your my number 2 scum read because you epressed scum feelings toward axxle from the begining, you then turned on under posters very hard, and you said you didn't trust galz. When axxle had 2 votes and robz had 3 you then voted for robz with very little to go on, merely said I don't like the way he flip floped. This reads to me as scum doing some solid talk, pushing on people that already have suspicioun, axxle/galz, and pushing for lurkers, all of these are safe pushes and then voting for the person you think is going down for the most recent case on them.

[Galzria]

drab your my number 2 scum read because you epressed scum feelings toward axxle from the begining, you then turned on under posters very hard, and you said you didn't trust galz. When axxle had 2 votes and robz had 3 you then voted for robz with very little to go on, merely said I don't like the way he flip floped. This reads to me as scum doing some solid talk, pushing on people that already have suspicioun, axxle/galz, and pushing for lurkers, all of these are safe pushes and then voting for the person you think is going down for the most recent case on them.

Once I declare my choice, I'll only take input on it's use from you.

If you had to pick one of those 4 to go after, which would it be? I would pick Jimmm, but there's merit to your logic behind Drab.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Rereading, I think the flavor text confirmed that both fools are alive, so nevermind.

@mc: I really didn't like Robz. (The playing, not him as a person; I don't know him obviously) I trusted Munch, and I trust Eevee, and Robz and Axxle seemed even to me, so I went with Robz. Partially, I wanted to see if anyone jumped on the hammer, which didn't happen. (I don't think L-1 counts.) Also I don't think that secret democracy is good for the town at all. Anything that keeps information from the town is bad.

In hindsight, Robz was the wrong choice, but I don't think he was the wrong "choice" -- he was the best guess I had, and voting for him opened up the most possibilities to gain information if I was wrong.

If I had a PR, right now I would point it at Jimmmmm.

PPE: I see that Galzria agrees with me. Well, except for the second part there.

[Insomniac]

If a fool died they would flip as such.
Hidden democracy releases the information after all votes are in

[mcmcsalot]

I am nervous about pointing the finger at jimm, I did think his D1 posts were towny though that may be something to look into because I have never found jimm towny. So for once I feel like jimm is just suffering from the time zone difference and I still have a town read on him.

As far as eevee goes, I agree with you he has been under contributing and for once I am not convinced hes town. This would be a possible target for your power.

I need to reread arch real quick and I believe I already spoke on drab and axxle

[mcmcsalot]

arch's vote switch to robz came after eevee voted and said he was going to leave, his vote for robz was backed up by very similar reasons he didn't vote for robz origionally. Baisically reading arch it looks like he supported me on axxle all the way untill robz the robz lynch picked up traction and he went for it.

Also I think I am only suspicious of eevee because he was suspicious of me, eevee I believe you have been able to read me very well, why did you think I was scum in this game.

[Galzria]

Can someone put together a cross section of those willing to vote Axxle and those that voted Robz?

[mcmcsalot]

its only archetype and drab