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[Robz888]

I also have a scumread on Axxle. This is not the Axxle I'm used to, for some reason. Nice to see new guy Drab is an active contributor.

I... don't know that it's so obvious that scum/PR would pick the powers you think they'll pick. I think it does make sense that the Fools should have picked Vig, but I think you have contemplate it pretty hard to arrive at that conclusion. I'll guess the scum split between Bp and Investigative Immune, at least.

[mcmcsalot]

Jeez guys I eat lunch and were all seriouse now. I didn't even get to make a pun about letting my comment about robz brew...

Anywho getting down to business axle looks a hell of a lot like Joth did in last blitz game coming out of the gate so hot. I tend to think in blitz mislynches are easily forced and its quite a strong scum gambit to push for players.

[TheMunch]

I also have a scumread on Axxle. This is not the Axxle I'm used to, for some reason. Nice to see new guy Drab is an active contributor.

I... don't know that it's so obvious that scum/PR would pick the powers you think they'll pick. I think it does make sense that the Fools should have picked Vig, but I think you have contemplate it pretty hard to arrive at that conclusion. I'll guess the scum split between Bp and Investigative Immune, at least.

You can read into how long I thought about PRs as much or as little as you want

[Axxle]

-snip-

You just keep talking and I'll let you know if it changes.

I see what you did there.

I... don't know that it's so obvious that scum/PR would pick the powers you think they'll pick. I think it does make sense that the Fools should have picked Vig, but I think you have contemplate it pretty hard to arrive at that conclusion. I'll guess the scum split between Bp and Investigative Immune, at least.

I think it's anti town to speculate anyway since I think it gives scum a better idea of how they want to fakeclaim.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Nice to see new guy Drab is an active contributor.

I've played a reasonable amount of Mafia, for what it's worth. Just not here. Or on mafiascum. Or anywhere else I'll admit to.

But it happened! It was real.


Also, is there any reason that, if a town vig hits and doesn't kill a witch, they shouldn't claim themselves right away? The only people who would have any incentive to lie about that would be scum anyways.

[Axxle]

Nice to see new guy Drab is an active contributor.

I've played a reasonable amount of Mafia, for what it's worth. Just not here. Or on mafiascum. Or anywhere else I'll admit to.

But it happened! It was real.


Also, is there any reason that, if a town vig hits and doesn't kill a witch, they shouldn't claim themselves right away? The only people who would have any incentive to lie about that would be scum anyways.

/b/ mafia.

[mcmcsalot]

I also have a scumread on Axxle. This is not the Axxle I'm used to, for some reason. Nice to see new guy Drab is an active contributor.

I... don't know that it's so obvious that scum/PR would pick the powers you think they'll pick. I think it does make sense that the Fools should have picked Vig, but I think you have contemplate it pretty hard to arrive at that conclusion. I'll guess the scum split between Bp and Investigative Immune, at least.

You can read into how long I thought about PRs as much or as little as you want

I read nothing into it it's quite a simple theory to work out

[mcmcsalot]

I agree with axle we should probably shut up about power roles

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 1-1

Galzria (1) - Axxle
Robz888 (1) - mcmcsalot

Not Voting (7) - Robz, Eevee, Archetype, Jimmmmm, Drab Emordnilap, Galzria, TheMunch

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

In the event of a tie at deadline, hidden democracy will be implemented.

Deadline: 8:30am PST (11:30am forum time[EST]) Wednesday January 23, 2013

[Robz888]

I also have a scumread on Axxle. This is not the Axxle I'm used to, for some reason. Nice to see new guy Drab is an active contributor.

I... don't know that it's so obvious that scum/PR would pick the powers you think they'll pick. I think it does make sense that the Fools should have picked Vig, but I think you have contemplate it pretty hard to arrive at that conclusion. I'll guess the scum split between Bp and Investigative Immune, at least.

You can read into how long I thought about PRs as much or as little as you want

I wasn't talking about "you" specifically. I wasn't saying that you thought about it hard because you are a PR. It's natural to think about what we would have picked (or did in fact pick). I was just saying that the people who did pick may or may not have reached that conclusion.

[Drab Emordnilap]

/b/ mafia.

You know, I just went back to find the very first game I ran, and it's been pruned.

It was amazing. 26 players, and there was exactly one Vanilla Townie. I had Mason Unrequited Lovers of which one was scum, a roleblocker, a postblocker, a voteblocker, I think two serial killers...

It was before I knew how to balance things, obviously. And it wasn't a mafia-related forum, super-obviously.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Can I be a nagger and ask that the deadline goes in with the vote counts?

[Robz888]

I'm just going to throw this out here... because things like this have served us okay in the past... The other way to play this is to have the Fools claim right now, maybe? They won't get counterclaimed (I don't think...), so then we have are ICs. Whichever one is still alive tomorrow can take his shot or do his investigation or whatever tomorrow (hell, if one of them is a neighborizer, thy can actually get their qt chat going!). And we just play this like any of ash's games.

Anybody see a point in doing that?

[Axxle]

You made me think for a second, but I don't think it's a great idea.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until day 2, and then they claim? That way, they'll (probably) be able to both use their powers? We lose their insight on day 1, but it's not like anyone really has a ton to go on day 1.

[Galzria]

I'm just going to throw this out here... because things like this have served us okay in the past... The other way to play this is to have the Fools claim right now, maybe? They won't get counterclaimed (I don't think...), so then we have are ICs. Whichever one is still alive tomorrow can take his shot or do his investigation or whatever tomorrow (hell, if one of them is a neighborizer, thy can actually get their qt chat going!). And we just play this like any of ash's games.

Anybody see a point in doing that?

I don't think it's necessary.

Let's look at a (generally) worst case here:

We lynch town D1 (I assume not a fool lynch, since any fool or scum claiming fool will not get lynched).
Scum NK a fool N1 (through luck, or because they target a claimed fool due to D1).

Left:

2 scum
1 fool
4 VT

D2, the 2nd fool claims.

If a scum counterclaims, then it's likely that they're BP (since they wouldn't risk counter-claiming unless they knew they could survive a Vig-Fool). Assume at this point we lynch wrong. N2, scum kill a VT.

Left:

2 scum (1 known)
3 VT

We lynch the known scum, and they NK a VT...

Left:

1 scum
2 VT

On D2, if the Fool doesn't get counter-claimed, then he's an IC for the day. Worst case is he leads the town to a VT lynch, and gets NK'd, and then it's 3 VT vs 2 Scum - classic lylo.

My point is, I think that choosing to not claim now doesn't present a situation where scum can counter-claim their way to a win D2 (which is different from most blitz games).

[Galzria]

Long answer short:

I do not think that our Fool's should claim.

[Eevee]

Checking back ONE LAST TIME.

I'm conflicted about Axxle. On the other hand, he feels different. On the other hand, balls to the wall boldness has just always been town, except maybe for me in RMIII and I wasn't really that aggressive. I guess the scum and the town reads cancel eachother out at this point.

Galzria's analysis about fool's claiming looks sound, I agree with him.

[Axxle]

Galz, what are your reads? You post a lot of theory, but nothing about the players in this game specifically.

[Drab Emordnilap]

I do not think that our Fool's should claim.

Man, that apostrophe almost got my vote right there.


Is there ever a reason for a townie to lie to the town?

[Galzria]

Galz, what are your reads? You post a lot of theory, but nothing about the players in this game specifically.

When people post more, I'll tell you. So far Robz has posted 3 times. mcmc has posted 3 times. Others have posted less (Archetype/Jimmm - although maybe I just missed them). When people start talking more, I'll form more solid opinions. I'm not going to state my thoughts on anybody until that time, as I really don't want to give scum the opportunity to come in and play towards my reads.

[Robz888]

I do not think that our Fool's should claim.

Man, that apostrophe almost got my vote right there.


Is there ever a reason for a townie to lie to the town?

Oh, do not vote for spelling and grammar mistakes! Our brains run faster than our fingers here, trust me.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Oh, do not vote for spelling and grammar mistakes! Our brains run faster than our fingers here, trust me.

It was a joke. If it was worth voting for, I'd've voted.

Archetype/Jimmm have not posted yet.

[Axxle]

Galz, what are your reads? You post a lot of theory, but nothing about the players in this game specifically.

When people post more, I'll tell you. So far Robz has posted 3 times. mcmc has posted 3 times. Others have posted less (Archetype/Jimmm - although maybe I just missed them). When people start talking more, I'll form more solid opinions. I'm not going to state my thoughts on anybody until that time, as I really don't want to give scum the opportunity to come in and play towards my reads.

Sounds like a double standard.

[TheMunch]

Is there ever a reason for a townie to lie to the town?

Some would say no.