I'll respond to your posts, but I am not super inclined to have a huge back and forth like Day1 saw as those tend to monopolize the discussion and really to me aren't very readable. But I do want to make sure you understand me and that I understand you.
1. Yes, lurking alone isn't enough. I agree, which if that were all, it wouldn't be enough.
2. This was resolved after you later explained your rationale for why you do it. I don't think it is scummy, I think it is polite and shouldn't be considered as part of my current case on you. Previously it was something that I found interesting during my reread of you and wanted to hear more from you about.
3. the Cuzz wagon isn't just the way that you participated, it was the way that you participated. You added little original thought to it. I know this isn't a super great argument because shraeye did put together a pretty large case that left little room for original thought. But it was as if you basically followed shraeye using him as a shield if things went wrong. This is in contrast to others such as ashersky and Robz who did add their own insights into the Cuzz case. I think this is exemplified by your post that I quoted that said you would find--and from this I read that you would expect others to find shraeye scummy if Cuzz turned up scum.
4. Again point 4 was from the point of view when shraeye was still alive and shraeye's alignment wasn't known. But again the issue is what I address in point 3 and will address below.
My thought process behind the one out of three being scum from the group that was only on one wagon is that I think scum often likes to not be on a lot of wagons. They kind of like to vote sparingly, try to stay out of the limelight, avoid wagons... At least in my experience at least one member of scum tends to do that... so you three kinda fit the bill. But you are correct that the eevee wagon started more or less while you were gone... I hadn't realized that. You did express a townread on him shortly before it started... so this analysis is a little more muddled (and I guess you weren't really online during the shraeye quick wagon day1 either...)
As for the last point... I know my quote is convuluted and isn't really clear, I was just thinking out loud. I will try to be more clear here.... What I am thinking behind that post really had more to do with Galz than with shraeye.
Here is the quote again for context:
I have fairly strong townreads on Galz and shraeye at the moment (and obviously myself.) Of course, if you flip town, I will be suspicious of them. But first we need to see a flip.
This was posted after the lynch, but before the flip and I find it an interesting post because if you posted it as scum partners with Galz it is a win/win scenario for you. If Cuzz flips scum, you are totally justified in having a town read on your partner Galz. However, if Cuzz flips town, you are then totally justified in having a scum read on your partner Galz, who is likely to come under some pressure Day2, for some easy, suspicion free, bussing. Again, this isn't so much evidence against you as it is me wanting to make sure that the person I am voting for has a viable chance of being partners with Galz--as I think analyzing him and his interactions with other players presents our best chance at finding scum at this point. I found this post of yours to be a viable post from scum!glooble who is partners with Galz.
And there was a typo in the post below, where it says you had a non-genuine defense of eevee, it should be a non-genuine defense of shraeye. This corresponds to point 3 above.
I understand that while you said you would be more suspicious of shraeye if Cuzz flipped town, that doesn't necessarily mean that you would read him as surefire scum afterward, but you dont' even seem to change your read on him. It was kind of like you picked in the early game which players you would have town reads on and stuck with them the rest of the game.
for example this line in particular stood out to me:
The fact is, I'm far from ready to lynch shraeye with the info we have now. It's like, it seems good on paper, but he just reads very town to me. But maybe part of that is that if I admit that his arguments for lynching Cuzz were manipulative, then I'm owning up to how easy I was to manipulate.
is talking more about yourself than shraeye.
I am also going to throw out one more thing I just noticed... the promises to do things, but not doing them. you were going to look at the shraeye, quick wagon, you were going to look at me, you were going to put together a "willing to lynch" list... and so on. I think that tends to be a scum trait. Because putting together that kind of work and reads and making them look real can be really difficult as scum.
That ended up being longer than I wanted, sorry. What do other people think. Does my case hold water? Am I just tunneling. I don't feel like I am.
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