I think Cuzz is a reasonable alternative to the Jimmmm lynch, though I still prefer Jimmm right now. I have scheduled a reread of Jimmm, Cuzz and mcmcsalot when I get time.
Dsell, if you are staunchly against Jimmm (and do answer yuma's question above, please), could you tell me what you think about Cuzz?
I looked for a more recent comment, but this is the last time shraeye mentioned anything about a reread that I saw. (i.e. he still hasn't done it unless he just failed to mention it after several comments of his need to do so)
Where do dsell and theorel look at things closer? Simply because they support you they have a better "understanding" of the whole case? I think shraeye has provided much support for how you have been acting scummy all game and points to other people who have made cases against you as well. This looks like a much closer look into you then simply understanding how you came to the conclusion you did.
Okay, so after reading mcmcsalot's post I thought, "man that read scummy". But I know I'm on the Jimmmmm-side of the shraeye-Jimmmmm debate. I was concerned that I was picking up a scum-read from it for no reason. Then I reread it today, and this is the thing that I can't resolve. I think this has also been playing into my scum-read of shraeye. I mean he (apparently in all seriousness) has stated "I don't understand why the Jimmm lynch isn't getting any traction." But he stated over-and-over for three days (Jan 8-Jan 10) how he needed to schedule a reread of Jimmmmm. But somehow he is certain that those opinions on Eevee were manufactured? Even though players that have reread him don't agree...even though his case can't pick up traction (usually indicating it's a bad case), he keeps harping on the case. Every case-building post on Cuzz included a "But Jimmmmm is scummier, so I'll vote for him instead".
Now mcmcsalot defends him by saying, "Jimmmmm is scummy for pointing out shraeye's terrible cases". Obviously shraeye, the player that never has time to reread Jimmmmm has read him more in depth than DSell, the player who claimed he reread Jimmmmm with a "critical eye".
So, There are three possibilities I see for this mistake:
1. chainsaw defense. This only works if shraeye/mcmcsalot are a scumteam. Possible, but I'm not convinced...I'm also starting to tunnel shraeye (well at least, I'm starting to recognize that I'm tunneling him, I've preobably been doing it for about a day). This means that chainsaw defense is the scum-tell that I'm detecting, even if not by name. i.e. I think shraeye is scum, when I see someone defend him with bad arguments I'm going to assume they're scum also. But that's only a strong argument if shraeye is scum.
2. mcmcsalot didn't realize that shraeye had frequently stated his need to reread Jimmmmm (and Cuzz btw) which is hilarious given they're the cases he's been pushing for the whole time he's stating the need to reread. But mcmcsalot said he just reread shraeye, so that's actually not possible.
3. mcmcsalot decided first that Jimmmmm was scum, and allowed confirmation bias to talk for him instead of y'know actual facts. Basically mcmcsalot thinks Jimmmm is scum, in order to perpetuate that idea he must dismiss the people defending him as lacking the depth of read, and defend the people accusing him as having the deep read.
Anyways, last time I tunneled someone this hard, it was O, and he was town. So, I have to back off. But that's easier said than done. If I had a reasonable alternative scum-read to redirect attention towards, that would be help. I'm in one of those "how does no one else see shraeye's behavior as scummy?" brain-warping situations. The only thing I can do at this point is drop the case, because no one else thinks his behavior is scummy. I can't help but note here though that shraeye has won EVERY GAME he's ever played as scum. I definitely think you're all being blind to his scum-tactics. BUT I must acknowledge that I've never played with him as scum, and I'm not accusing him based on his scum-tactics, I'm accusing him based on behavior that looks scummy to me, and am using the fact that he's won every game as scum to justify to myself why I might be seeing his behavior as scummy when no one else is. Stupid paranoia...and so I'm going to do what I originally intended to do, even though I feel like his continual pushing of Jimmmmm and Cuzz without rereading is adding fuel to the fire of him being so obviously scummy.
unvote. I hate my brain.
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