I'm home so I have a little time to give some more in-depth answers before I go to bed.
@galz & theorel, you both pointed out (around post 665, I think) that shraeye hadn't commented on theorel's case against him. I'm interested in your take on Jimmmmm's avoidance of my case on him and (correct me if I'm wrong) shraeye's case on him. Is it normal for Jimmmmm (or anybody for that matter) to avoid discussing cases against him/them? Overall question: Why call one person out for not responding to a case but not call somebody else out?
How close to accurate is our most recent vote count (post 663)? I know yuma has unvoted but I can't remember anybody else's votes and unvotes and don't trust myself enough to keep it straight on the reread. Working up the courage and energy to do another reread but would like to see that first.
And, just a little frustration here, I am SUPER bummed this thread is already a million pages long. I am missing out on soooooooo many hilarious comebacks. Fairly certain my head is going to explode.
I wasn't too concerned about your case, it just seemed like you were looking for reasons to join a wagon. But I'm happy to go over it point by point.
Holy biscuits, Erma! Reread and was super disappointed to find that shraeye had presented a case on Jimmmmm while I was reading as Jimmmmm was the person I was reading. So, sorry guys, shraeyerae has struck again.
On reread there were a few things that struck me wrong about Jimmmmm. The first came at post #77 when I felt he was a bit snappier than necessary at Lio. The second came at his response to me (#95), he seemed genuine (or buddyish) when he said that did read snappier than he intended but then he says this:
Yeah that reads a lot snappier than I meant. I was actually really surprised to see you telling me to settle, until I re-read my post, and you have a point. I just don't think you should vote for me in order to force me to claim. Vote for me if you think I'm scum, and we'll go from there. I actually don't think it's good for Town for us to discuss this (that is, my request not to lynch me before giving me a chance to claim) any further, and I was hoping not to have to claim until at least day 2 or 3.
Something about the bold says "Stop drawing attention to this! Shhhhh! Stop!!" And that just seems like he maybe caught himself saying something he shouldn't have, realized it, and is trying to make it go away.
I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. It's not scummy to not want to talk about the details of your role on day 1. You're pointing a mistake you thought I thought I made, but I don't think whether or not I said more than I should have has any bearing on my alignment.
Next, we have post 97 where he agrees with me in questioning ash for voting for eevee without real cause. Maybe it's just because I'm not used to you people agreeing with me but it felt sort of sheepy, trying to start a wagon.
If I recall correctly, ash said very little about Eevee and then plonked his vote on him. Here is what I said in response:
Yeah ash, you haven't really contributed anything other than cop/doctor-related theory and some reads without reason. Why do you find Eevee scummy? More importantly (since your answer to the first question will likely be similar to what has already been said), why do you find theorel scummy?
Does that really seem like I'm trying to start a wagon? Just questioning the reasons behind reads and a vote, as I should have.
Then we have post 114 where he redirects the little argument ash and I were having regarding my scumminess to his case on eevee. At first I read this as townie because, let's be honest, ash and I weren't helping anybody but scum with that sidetrack but after theory pointed out that scum would want to end the day quickly I began to rethink that, maybe it was just solid scum-redirection. Still not sold on that particular point but definitely don't see it as pure town anymore.
You had it right the first time:
I think Jimmmmm was super excited because he thought he found scum. He tried to shut down the little bicker-match ashersky and I were having to direct people back to his argument. I believe scum would have just let that roll out, waste time, and distract people instead of redirecting.
Your argument with ash looked like this to me: ash offended raerae so of course raerae shot back at ash and ash thought raerae silly for shooting back and it continued. Looked a lot more like a personality clash than actual scum-hunting.
Post 162 is another example of him trying to shut down discussion but this time in regards to his "don't lynch me before I claim!" comment. I just don't like that he's trying to shut down conversation because that is the only way for us to form opinions and analyze people.
There are better ways to analyze people than to try to figure out their roles on day 1.
Post 268 he wants to stop talking about the eevee case, again.
Post 273 says he voted for eevee to see how he'd respond to the pressure but it seems to me like Jimmmmm voted for eevee because of the case he had formed on him. Seems like he's trying to make it seem like it wasn't as big of a deal as he originally made it out to be.
This is what I said when I voted for Eevee:
I'm going out now, so I'm going to Vote: Eevee to watch how he tries to get himself out of it.
This is before the contradiction case. Please understand, #85 was not a case. It was something I noticed, and wanted to see what people thought about it. While I was away, I thought about it and developed the actual case, which I presented in #138. The fact that I developed it in my head while I was away from a computer contributed to me misunderstanding the intent behind one of the statements. The case was conceived before I voted, sure, but it was born and died in between me voting and unvoting.
Post 364 states that Cuzz and Galz seem to be the biggest targets today. I was super confused when I read that because I didn't remember either being heavy on anybody's radar. I went back a little bit and saw that yes, Cuzz did have two votes on him at that point but Galz didn't have a single one and people seemed to generally think he seemed townie. Just went back and skimmed one more time before posting this and still don't see anybody pointing serious fingers at Galz as of this (#364) post.
Yep, this is a mistake I've made before. Saying "X, Y and Z are the main suspects" because they are the suspicions I'd just been reading about. I tend to try to narrow things down to make them more approachable in my head, and it got me mislynched in a certain game involving monsters from your pockets.
#367, 368, & 370 are him saying he'll vote for Cuzz for not participating but will give Galz a pass. Totally agree with shraeye here. It's strange wording at best.
Which part is strange wording? The part where I say I'll vote for Cuzz to generate the contribution that he promised, or the part where I say that if Galz is Town then we want him around?
#378 & 405 - shutting down conversation regarding eevee lynch, again (anybody sensing a pattern yet?)
Meh, like I said I was demoralised and wanted to talk about someone other than Eevee. It was an overreaction, sure, but it was an emotional response. If you don't believe me, that's fine, but there's nothing more I can say about it.
#415 & 514 - Presents a flimsy case/read on momsalon that basically boils down to him being too new to read people as town or scum based on what they post. I don't agree with this and I don't like it. I suppose it isn't necessarily scummy by itself but coupled with everything above it feels like he's trying to draw suspicion around momsalon for no real reason.
Well disagreeing with my case is fine, but if you don't think it's scummy in itself then no response necessary.
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