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Geronimoo:
In this topic I made a rather bold statement (it was in Bold anyway):

If your deck will always improve with a Silver buy, you should never open Mining Village/Silver over Silver/Silver

Here's the challenge: prove I'm an idiot! (post your bot(s) as proof)

DStu:
I don't have fully understood how you check for "if it always improves your deck to buy silver", but anyway:

It's not optimized, but the best candidate I think is BM-Goons. Don't know how you optimal play it, but

--- Code: ---<player name="BM - Goons/MV">
   <buy name="Province">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInDeck" attribute="Gold"/>
         <operator type="greaterThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="0.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Duchy">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInSupply" attribute="Province"/>
         <operator type="smallerOrEqualThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="5.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Estate">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInSupply" attribute="Province"/>
         <operator type="smallerOrEqualThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="2.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Goons">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInDeck" attribute="Goons"/>
         <operator type="smallerThan" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="2.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Gold"/>
   <buy name="Mining_Village">
      <condition>
         <left type="countCardsInSupply" attribute="Mining_Village"/>
         <operator type="equalTo" />
         <right type="constant" attribute="10.0"/>
      </condition>
   </buy>
   <buy name="Silver"/>
</player>

--- End code ---

vs. "delete the MV"

The point is that a being first to Goons is really really strong, because BM has problems coming to $6 under attack of Goons. And so to Goons or Gold itself.

edit: 45:52 starting 4/3

Geronimoo:
So apparently I am an idiot :) Hadn't really considered Goons.

So an early Goons is one reason you'd want to buy MV over Silver in a Big Money type deck. Are there others?

It's hard to find a good definition of a Big Money strategy, but the "more Silver=better" seemed fitting

WanderingWinder:
More silver=better is actually true of all bot the most engine-y combo-y of decks, especially without colonies in play. Also, without knowing your play rules on mining village, this is going to be somewhat difficult. When do you have it trash?
Finally, any set where you really need a village is going to like mining village better. Torturer decks come to mind, and I doubt you really want to not buy silver when you could in those decks.
As for your overall point, I'm pretty sure you're wrong, though I don't know that you aren't right (you probably are, depending somewhat on the 4s, 5s, and 6s on board) for specifically opening silver/silver vs silver/MV

Captain_Frisk:
Too lazy to simulate, but I suspect that any power 5+ card (mountebank, witch, goons, torturer, trading post, wharf) might warrant mining village / silver over silver / silver, as being stuck @ double 4's is a killer.  In the torturer case, you'll want the mining villages anyway.

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