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[Sneckan]

Hi!
Like the topic reads. Ive been playing the game several times with my friends and we are now hocked. We are unsure how to intepret the "Moat card". Clearly it can block attacks from several different players. But can it block a dual attack from one player?
Thanks for you help.

[Ozle]

Yes it can

[Drab Emordnilap]

Hi!
Like the topic reads. Ive been playing the game several times with my friends and we are now hocked. We are unsure how to intepret the "Moat card". Clearly it can block attacks from several different players. But can it block a dual attack from one player?
Thanks for you help.

Yes. The only "cost" to activate the reaction of the Moat is to reveal it, and you can reveal it as much as you want. You can even reveal it four times to the same Attack, if you want to! (This wouldn't do anything different from revealing it once, though.)

[Sneckan]

Thank you very much for clearing this out!

[Davio]

Just to be clear, you can reveal all reaction cards that say "when you are attacked" in any order and multiple times.

So you could reveal Secret Chamber, draw Moat off the top of your deck, put some cards back, reveal Moat, reveal Secret Chamber again and put Moat back.

[Jimmmmm]

So you could reveal Secret Chamber, draw Moat off the top of your deck, put some cards back, reveal Moat, reveal Secret Chamber again and put Moat back.

I wonder if anyone who's cited this example has ever had both a Moat and a Secret Chamber in their deck at the same time?

[DStu]

So you could reveal Secret Chamber, draw Moat off the top of your deck, put some cards back, reveal Moat, reveal Secret Chamber again and put Moat back.

I wonder if anyone who's cited this example has ever had both a Moat and a Secret Chamber in their deck at the same time?

Does Secret Chamber and Watchtower count?
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20110503-000223-7c780c72.html

[Davio]

So you could reveal Secret Chamber, draw Moat off the top of your deck, put some cards back, reveal Moat, reveal Secret Chamber again and put Moat back.

I wonder if anyone who's cited this example has ever had both a Moat and a Secret Chamber in their deck at the same time?

Uhm, Swindler with Estates gone?

[ehunt]

it took me like ten minutes to get this joke. i was like, wait, but if they play a swindler, ok, you reveal the secret chamber, draw the moat, then put the moat on top because the estates are gone so he'll have to give you another moat or secret chamber for it, but wait, you moated the swindler, that doesn't make sense...

[Jimmmmm]

So you could reveal Secret Chamber, draw Moat off the top of your deck, put some cards back, reveal Moat, reveal Secret Chamber again and put Moat back.

I wonder if anyone who's cited this example has ever had both a Moat and a Secret Chamber in their deck at the same time?

Uhm, Swindler with Estates gone?

Log or it didn't happen. I just mean it's very commonly referred to when talking about revealing multiple Reactions, but anyone who knows enough about Dominion to know about this edge case is very unlikely to ever actually do it.

[michaeljb]

Just to be clear, you can reveal all reaction cards that say "when you are attacked" in any order and multiple times.

Technically, no reaction cards say "when you are attacked," and technically, you can't reveal Horse Traders or Beggar more than once

[gman314]

So you could reveal Secret Chamber, draw Moat off the top of your deck, put some cards back, reveal Moat, reveal Secret Chamber again and put Moat back.

I wonder if anyone who's cited this example has ever had both a Moat and a Secret Chamber in their deck at the same time?

I can't be bothered to find the log right now, but I have actually done this once. Not sure why I had both in my deck, but I have done the trick.

[gman314]

So, I looked for the log, but couldn't find it. It may have been a RL game then.

[Jimmmmm]

Don't worry, I believe you. My point was just, thinking of an edge case wherein an experienced player would have two generally bad cards is different to saying that it actually happened.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Don't worry, I believe you. My point was just, thinking of an edge case wherein an experienced player would have two generally bad cards is different to saying that it actually happened.

Moat is a generally bad card?

[Davio]

Don't worry, I believe you. My point was just, thinking of an edge case wherein an experienced player would have two generally bad cards is different to saying that it actually happened.

I guess it would be more common in 3p and 4p games as in 2p games you don't buy/need a Moat as often.

[ftl]

Don't worry, I believe you. My point was just, thinking of an edge case wherein an experienced player would have two generally bad cards is different to saying that it actually happened.

Moat is a generally bad card?

In 2 player, yes. In 3 or 4 player its much better.

[GendoIkari]

Don't worry, I believe you. My point was just, thinking of an edge case wherein an experienced player would have two generally bad cards is different to saying that it actually happened.

I dunno, just because Moat and Secret Chamber are both generally weak cards doesn't mean there aren't plenty of situations where either can be good enough for a good player to use them. And those situations can then co-exist to make both cards good enough to have. And, they even have synergy either each other, outside of the reaction part. Playing Moat, Moat, Secret chamber is the same as playing a Vault (except without helping your opponent). Granted you need lots of Villages. But as long as you have actions to spare, Moat is a Laboratory.

[Jimmmmm]

Don't worry, I believe you. My point was just, thinking of an edge case wherein an experienced player would have two generally bad cards is different to saying that it actually happened.

I dunno, just because Moat and Secret Chamber are both generally weak cards doesn't mean there aren't plenty of situations where either can be good enough for a good player to use them. And those situations can then co-exist to make both cards good enough to have. And, they even have synergy either each other, outside of the reaction part. Playing Moat, Moat, Secret chamber is the same as playing a Vault (except without helping your opponent). Granted you need lots of Villages. But as long as you have actions to spare, Moat is a Laboratory.

Oh, so you've done it then?

[GendoIkari]

Don't worry, I believe you. My point was just, thinking of an edge case wherein an experienced player would have two generally bad cards is different to saying that it actually happened.

I dunno, just because Moat and Secret Chamber are both generally weak cards doesn't mean there aren't plenty of situations where either can be good enough for a good player to use them. And those situations can then co-exist to make both cards good enough to have. And, they even have synergy either each other, outside of the reaction part. Playing Moat, Moat, Secret chamber is the same as playing a Vault (except without helping your opponent). Granted you need lots of Villages. But as long as you have actions to spare, Moat is a Laboratory.

Oh, so you've done it then?

No.

[() | (_) ^/]

Don't worry, I believe you. My point was just, thinking of an edge case wherein an experienced player would have two generally bad cards is different to saying that it actually happened.

I dunno, just because Moat and Secret Chamber are both generally weak cards doesn't mean there aren't plenty of situations where either can be good enough for a good player to use them. And those situations can then co-exist to make both cards good enough to have. And, they even have synergy either each other, outside of the reaction part. Playing Moat, Moat, Secret chamber is the same as playing a Vault (except without helping your opponent). Granted you need lots of Villages. But as long as you have actions to spare, Moat is a Laboratory.

Oh, so you've done it then?

No.

But it did happen to me!  In fact, it happened to me in a game between me and lespeutere yesterday.  Maybe you don't consider us "experienced" players, but if so, here's the log:

http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20130107-094313-adae7223.html

Scrying Pool game.  My plan was to draw my deck and then use Secret Chamber to discard all of my actions except for 1 SP, then play the SP to auto-draw all of the actions back again.  I love that play.

But I needed a Schemed-Moat to stop his SP and Jestering.  So I got both Moat (to always top-deck with Scheme) and Secret Chamber.

And then today I come here and read this thread.  So crazy!



edit: reading through the log, it seems that I never did reveal a SC to pull in a Moat which I then revealed to cancel the attack, which is apparently the thing being referenced in this thread.  Once my Scheme -> Moat was going, my Moat was always in my hand.  However, before that happened, it was totally possible for things to play out a littler differently and for me to find my Moat with my SC.  I was just so excited to post that I had actually been playing a SC-Moat game.  And with one of the most noteable Dominion players. 

[Jimmmmm]

Hooray! Although still nobody drew a Moat with SC, used it then put it back. But it could have happened.

[() | (_) ^/]

Hooray! Although still nobody drew a Moat with SC, used it then put it back. But it could have happened.

You ninja'd my edit.

Yes, I see that now.  But thanks for giving partial credit! 

[() | (_) ^/]

Hooray! Although still nobody drew a Moat with SC, used it then put it back. But it could have happened.

And not only COULD it have happened, but early on one can see that it would have been the right play!  At least until the draw engine got going.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

It's Paddy! Yeaaaaaa! Hi Paddy.

[() | (_) ^/]

It's Paddy! Yeaaaaaa! Hi Paddy.

Sup.  Yeah, I know, I'm cheating on my Iso/F.DS diet.

[cluckyb]

Just to be clear, you can reveal all reaction cards that say "when you are attacked" in any order and multiple times.

Technically, no reaction cards say "when you are attacked," and technically, you can't reveal Horse Traders or Beggar more than once

If your draw pile is empty you can reveal beggar, discard it, reveal secret chamber, draw silver, shuffle, draw beggar, discard two other cards and reveal beggar a second time, no?

[ftl]

Oh man. If you also have watchtower to trash the incoming silvers, and if your deck and draw pile are empty, you could burn through so many silvers in response to one attack...

[jonts26]

Oh man. If you also have watchtower to trash the incoming silvers, and if your deck and draw pile are empty, you could burn through so many silvers in response to one attack...

No because the SC has to put two cards back on top of your deck, so you can't keep revealing and discarding the same beggar. At best you can reveal the same beggar twice.

[ftl]

Oh, right. d'oh.

[ConMan]

Hmm.

Secret Chamber, Beggar, Watchtower, Market Square.

Although I would be seriously worried about my opponent if it was clear I had my entire deck down to those four cards, and they played an attack.